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[–] Admetus@sopuli.xyz 107 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I get the joke, but the sundials of ancient civilisations precluded clocks.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 61 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Sundials also didn't work very well at midnight for some reason, what's ya point?

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 70 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

You're just not holding the flashlight properly.

If you hold the flashlight right they work 100% of the time.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Instructions unclear, I think my fleshlight is broken..

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

That’s why for a long time, and even longer in the Royal Navy, the new day started at noon and not midnight.

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[–] naught@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

"Precluded" means "prevented" or to "make impossible" ❤️

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[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's all the Babylonians fault

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Those fuckers could count to 60 on their fingers. Witchcraft!

[–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Using binary, we could count to 1023 with 10 fingers but only 511 with 9 fingers

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[–] hakase@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yup, that's why we still don't have any clocks to this day.

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[–] IWW4@lemmy.zip 82 points 2 weeks ago (22 children)

It is wild how people refuse to use the 24 hour clock. It is so logical and easy. kind of like the metric system…..

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

First thing I change on every electronic device I buy.

[–] spazzman6156@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 weeks ago

And really annoying when something only has 12hr mode

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

I don't want to believe that time goes on for that long.

I'd rather a 6 hour clock.

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[–] Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.ca 52 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

24 hour analogue clocks exist. I have a 24 hour watch which only revolves once per 24 hours. It's a disadvantage though.

The reason why clocks and watches display 12 hours at a time is so that they have space to show finer resolution of time. If you try to cram 24 hours onto a clock, it's not easy to tell if it's 12:20 or 12:30 at a quick glance.

Most people are not too stupid to be aware of if they are in the first 12 hours or second 12 hours of a day, so they benefit from a watch with 12 hour timescale and finer resolution so that they can more easily see exactly what time it is.

And for all the dummies posting about 12h vs 24h clocks. In the sense of saying that it's 1pm vs 13:00. That's not what this meme is even describing. This is about the physical layout of a clock or watch face.

[–] riot@fedia.io 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I can't believe this is the first I'm hearing of 24-hour analogue clocks! That's so cool. But yeah, I see your point about it now allowing for very much precision at a glance.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

If 12 is better than 24 we should build 6 hour analog clocks already!

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[–] ragas@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

The numbers on the clock actually make a lot of sense.

12, 24 and 60 are highly composite numbers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highly_composite_number).

Imagine using numbers in a world where most people have no real understanding of fractions.

That is also the reason why you see the same or similar numbers as common screen refresh rates. 24, 48, 60, 120 and 240.

The 12 hour clockface design is that way because it is a similar design to that of a sundial, so people did not need to learn a new way to read the time. This also meant that for readibility reasons it was beneficial to only have 12 numbers.

[–] __dev@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Surely you mean common refresh rates like 23.976Hz (NTSC), 25hz (PAL & ATSC), 50hz (PAL & ATSC), 59.95hz (NTSC), 100hz (PAL+) and 144hz, right? /s

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[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

24 hours cause Egyptians split their sun dials and star decans into 12 parts each (probably cause 12 is divisible by 2, 3, 4, and 6) which the greeks later turned into equal length hours (before the length would change over the year)

60 minutes due to Babylonian base-60 math

12 hour format is just tradition at this point, but derived from the sun dials which only worked at day, so half the time, and the star decans which only worked at night, so the other half.

pretty much every country except the US uses the 24h format on digitial clocks now

also the dude in the meme was kinda right: the day will be divided into 12 segments. and the night will too. at least originally

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

This all originated from the Ancient Sumerians btw. They passed it down to Babylonians.

Edit: A bit of history from what I learned from listening to Fall of Civilizations in the shower.

The Ancient Sumerians invented this sexagesimal system because if you look at your hand, you notice 12 knuckles (this is obviously excluding your thumb, as that is used for counting each knuckle), and with your other hand you will raise a single finger for every time you finish counting past 12 knuckles on your left hand. So raising your thumb is 12, thumb and index is 24, and so on, until you reach 60.

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[–] ethaver@kbin.earth 7 points 2 weeks ago

It's called a "highly composite number!" I read up on a lot of this stuff while learning about numerology and other esoteric spiritual traditions!

[–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The clock makes so much more sense when you rewrite the 12 as a 0

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[–] s@piefed.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Keep it simple and just measure in terms of seconds since the Big Bang. The current time is 435,884,579,968,052,736 seconds, easy peasy

[–] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 8 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
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[–] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] sexybenfranklin@ttrpg.network 9 points 2 weeks ago

We're on Metric time already, the base unit of measure for time in the Metric system is the second. This is decimal time.

[–] Patches@ttrpg.network 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Ugh I can hear it now

In our relentless pursuit of innovation, we are proud to announce the switch from the outdated 24-hour clock to Metric Time™.

Effective immediately, your standard 8-hour workday will now be... 8 metric hours.

That’s 80% of the entire day. Because nothing says “work-life balance” like leaving 2 hours for life.

Embrace the future. You’re already late.

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[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Alright, I'm calling a 4.1666666666666666666666666666 metric hour meeting to discuss this!

The meeting might run to a full 5 metric hours.

[–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

there's 86400 seconds in a day. If we use a new unit that is slightly shorter than a second as a metric second, we can do 100000 metric seconds a day, with 100 metric seconds per metric minutes, and 100 metric minutes per metric hour, and each day having 10 metric hours.

Your 1 hour activity now takes 0.5 metric hours (it might be 20% longer, but that's arbitrary anyways, we rounded them to the closest hour anyways)

We are only used to the current system because we have been using it.

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[–] Tabula_stercore@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Only noobs start counting at 1. Midnight = 24:00 = 00:00

[–] Armillarian@pawb.social 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its possible to create a new time format/ system, the problem is how to standardise it everywhere

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Easy, use the metric time.

9:30 PM would just become Hour 89.58333333/100 of the day 😉

[–] ragas@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It has been done and it is called swatch time.

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[–] lime@feddit.nu 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

maybe this is because i grew up in a house that had a clock with hands but no numbers, but wth do you mean "the 6 means 30".

analogue clocks consists of two progress bars. the numbers are just for convenience.

[–] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

When the minutes hand is over the 6, 30 minutes have passed

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Babylonians: I see this as a complete win.

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Clocks are based on sundials. The little hand roughly follows where a shadow would be. The rest is just what people agreed on made the most sense.

[–] portuga@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Haven’t seen this one this week. Thanks

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