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[–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 101 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I don’t see any AI, just a list that got sorted alphabetically when it shouldn’t have been.

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 41 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The list would be extra fun in a foreign language but keeping the English order.

[–] vaionko@sopuli.xyz 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Not exactly this, but I hate it when devices translate all the languages in the language selection screen to the chosen language. So I have to guess what "English" is in Chinese. As if it wasn't difficult enough to navigate to said menu

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You've reminded me of my favourite one of those that's probably mostly experienced by British people

On a country or language list I'm either looking for, "United Kingdom" "Great Britain", "Britain"/"British", "England"/” English"

Now that's kinda fair enough, it's usually UK, so I go to the bottom and start my hunt there.

The big problem comes when the list is ordered by whatever value they're using to represent the choice, not the text itself, so you get stuff like "United Kingdom" where "Great Britain" should be.

This is not uncommon

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 20 points 6 days ago

As a German, you often don't find Deutschland in a list behind Danmark, but between other countries starting with G.

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago

I often wonder how many man hours have been wasted searching for the country. Especially when it's not strictly necessary.

Its a minimum wage job in the UK im applying for. Lets assume its a safe bet and put UK at the top of the list.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

And forgetting that there are countries whos first floor is the ground floor.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 6 days ago

AI might actually do better if used to sort here since it MIGHT give you the proper order

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 47 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What does this have to do with AI or with bubblesort?

This looks like just a list sorted alphabetically. Which unfortunately doesn't work for the use case. But has been a problem in computing for like literally 70 years.

[–] a4ng3l@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

But your explanation is sooooo much less trendy… we’re back to reddit karma bullshit :-(

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I don't think we ever left. Or that Reddit invented the circlejerk, for that matter.

[–] Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 56 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Umm... That's just alphabetical.

[–] potoo22@programming.dev 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

aamoooopTttt*

[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)

AI

This kinda shit is as old as computers.

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz -4 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 days ago

Errors such as this have been occurring by human hands for decades, while adversarial networks and language models capable of making the same error have only been available for a few years. As such, attributing all such errors to AI is foolish, as humans have already proven capable of making the same types of mistakes.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No, it isn't. The neutral network was invented in 1943. The first digital computer (what we would think of as a computer) was invented in 1938. The Turing Machine concept was created in 1936.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Actually trainable neural networks were way later than that, even.

Then again, AI = neural network is very recent definition, like just a few years, which is probably what OP meant.

[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

.. and this is why we use YYYY-MM-DD as the date format.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

twenty twenty five, august, five

two thousand and twenty five, february first

[–] kickeriekuh@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

In German, numbers are spoken from left to right, as in English, but ones and tens are always swapped. So 23 becomes three, twenty, and 135 becomes one hundred, five, and thirty:

  • Achter Stock (8)
  • Achtzehnter Stock (18)
  • Achtundzwanzigster Stock (28)
  • Dreizehnter Stock (13)
  • Dreiundzwanzigster Stock (23)
  • Dritter Stock (3)
  • Einundzwanzigster Stock (21)
  • Elfter Stock (11)
  • Erdgeschoss (0)
  • Erster Stock (1)
  • ...

Oh, and the first floor is called the ground floor and is not counted.

[–] bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The UK also has the off-by-one floor numbering.

Also a nursery rhyme with the line "four and twenty blackbirds"!

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That is only one and ten blackbirds.

[–] bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There are probably some that you can't see.

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 2 points 4 days ago

Kinda the point of a spy plane

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 11 points 6 days ago

AI moaners and mislabeling something they don’t understand as AI, what a classic combination.

[–] falseWhite@programming.dev 5 points 6 days ago

Vibe coding? Well, there's your problem.

[–] pitaya@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Bubble sort where?

[–] probable_possum@leminal.space 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

1, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 2, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 3, 30...

[–] probable_possum@leminal.space 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Huh. 101.

Maybe the comparable.is_greater_than(int) function needs some work. Or someone compared strings. :)

[–] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago

Or someone compared strings.

Yes, that's my joke. Using digits in a string list isn't enough, you have to be smart with your sorting and sort the numbers before you make the string list for your drop down.

"...y'know what? Let's just say I'm homeless!"

[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)
❯ touch `seq 1 100`
❯ ls
1    18  27  36  45  54  63  72  81  90
10   19  28  37  46  55  64  73  82  91
100  2	 29  38  47  56  65  74  83  92
11   20  3   39  48  57  66  75  84  93
12   21  30  4	 49  58  67  76  85  94
13   22  31  40  5   59  68  77  86  95
14   23  32  41  50  6	 69  78  87  96
15   24  33  42  51  60  7   79  88  97
16   25  34  43  52  61  70  8	 89  98
17   26  35  44  53  62  71  80  9   99

(Do I need to tell you how many times I fucked up like this myself?)

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Those are file names, there’s no reason to assume that they would be numerical which is why ls does the right thing.

I’m of the opinion that if you want to store numbers as strings and also sort them, you give them a fixed length and leading zeroes.

[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

I agree that it does "the right thing", that is it behaves as documented. But that "right thing" could be surprising to a human.

There's ls -v which does "version sort" which would seem like a more reasonable default, at least for human consumption. I know it's impossible to change now because a bajillion tools all over the place depend on the sort order.

However new tools like eza do this by default:

❯ eza
1  6   11  16  21  26  31  36  41  46  51  56  61  66  71  76  81  86  91  96
2  7   12  17  22  27  32  37  42  47  52  57  62  67  72  77  82  87  92  97
3  8   13  18  23  28  33  38  43  48  53  58  63  68  73  78  83  88  93  98
4  9   14  19  24  29  34  39  44  49  54  59  64  69  74  79  84  89  94  99
5  10  15  20  25  30  35  40  45  50  55  60  65  70  75  80  85  90  95  100
[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 1 points 6 days ago
❯ ls -l | sort -n

Shouldn't that work correctly?