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[–] Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip 693 points 1 week ago (15 children)

And this is why having 3rd party app stores is important. It’s why it matters that Google is killing side loading, if two fucking companies get to decide what you can do on your phone, we’re in a bad spot technology wise

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 429 points 1 week ago (6 children)

We're in a bad spot technology wise

[–] Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip 71 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No doubt. I’ve gotten to the point where I have like 6 apps on my phone and it’s in lockdown mode on iOS. And I’d be on grapheneOS if I wasn’t required to use iOS for work.

[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Can you have your job pay for an iPhone while you have a different personal phone? I’m a big fan of keeping a work device that’s separate from a personal device.

[–] Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip 58 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I probably could, but I’m also a recovering drug addict and my partner is pretty hesitant about a second device as it’s another way to hide things. However I’m the head of the MDM team so I’m not really nervous about what the company can see

[–] fascicle@leminal.space 52 points 1 week ago (13 children)

I thought you were head of the MDMA team for a second and thought that could be rough as a recovering drug addict

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[–] jonne@infosec.pub 61 points 1 week ago (9 children)

And the open source movement is such a blind spot to the 'left' as well, even though technology freedom is critical if you want to be able to organise any type of resistance in the digital space.

Lemmy users largely get it, obviously, but centre left people will happily let themselves get locked into the Apple/Google walled gardens even though you're just giving that company a ridiculous amount of power over you.

[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Right? The collective dismissal of Mastodon from leftist influencers when the Muskening happened was eye opening.

Like, there's a collaborative, volunteer-based platform right over there. You want mutual aid? Open-source is as mutual-aid as it gets.

But it's nerd shit.

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[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

We rapidly need to switch to Linux Mobile. PostmarketOS and Mobian are the two most promising projects, and I would highly recommend anyone reading this to donate to them if you have the means.

Both projects directly use your donations to hire developers to build and polish the critical essentials to get this alternative viable as a daily driver.

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[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 139 points 1 week ago (9 children)

"Sideloading" is their term, invented to make it sound like something it is not. We should not use this word. The correct word is "installing".

You don't "sideload" on Windows when you install software outside of the Microsoft Store™️. There is no real difference or distinction with software on phones, so there is no need for a special word.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I can see Microsoft moving to the same sort of thinking as well. Apple already made Mac OS users jump through hoops when you want to install something from the internet or even through a third party package manager like homebrew.

[–] Danitos@reddthat.com 41 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Microsoft has been trying this for years already. That eventually led to Valve incresing their efforts in the Linux gaming front and releasing the Steam Deck.

See this

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[–] jontree255@lemmy.world 187 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I’m surprised it stayed up as long as it did. I thought Apple would have taken it down within days.

Anyways I’ve seen this as a non app alternative: https://www.stopice.net/

[–] Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip 48 points 1 week ago

I mean yeah honestly probably the best, but I’ll take any chance to rant against the idea of walled garden tech

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[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 145 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I don't understand why society accepted that the hardware maker gets to decide what software you run.

That'd be like your car deciding which roads you can take, or your blender deciding you're not allowed to use strawberries in your smoothie.

Are you nuts? Why the fuck would your phone decide which apps you can run?

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 69 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

footnote page 6 “it’s our f***ing store” from Epic v. Apple 2025-04-30 https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Contempt-order.pdf

Maybe our phones are their f’in phones too

[–] willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Apple welding their phones to their own store, exclusively, is just like paying workers with scrip instead of dollars. This used to be a common practice for capitalists. The scrip is spendable only in the company store.

We have to stop all such anticompetitive practices.

Just a reminder, to stop the practice of getting paid in scrip the American workers had to take up arms and shoot some people. Look up Battle of Blair Mountain. It's not like the capitalists stopped the practice just because it was unpopular, lol. Nor did the anticompetitive practice of paying wages in scrip stop because people called their senators and wrote angry letters.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Agreed, too many people defend the App Store monopoly.

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[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 112 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What's objectionable about it Apple? Hmm?

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[–] Luffy879@lemmy.ml 107 points 1 week ago (37 children)

Does anyone remember how the Devs from there didnt want to release for Android because ApPlE iS sOoOo mUcH mOoOrE sEcUrE

Get rekt.

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[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 103 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"Good thing I got revenge though on Google's sideloading ban by buying a phone that never allowed it to begin with"

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 69 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

We should make webapps for everything. When done properly they are as fast as native apps, can work on any device and do not require a dev license or account.

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[–] letsgo2themall@lemmy.world 99 points 1 week ago (4 children)

remember when Tim Apple gifted tRump a golden statue? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 89 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I’m gonna play devils advocate here (and probably be monstrously downvoted);

ICEBlock stored the location data of all its users on Apples iCloud Servers. This the perfect target for ICE; a complete database of locations of every person who doesn’t want ICE to know where they are.

One assumption is that that Apple realised how tempting this data is to the current demonstrative administration and purged it before ICE could get their civil-liberty-abusing mitts on it.

[–] ErmahgherdDavid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

You're giving apple too much credit. Tim Apple literally gifted trump a golden statue. The press are reporting that this is directly in response to a request from the DOJ. This isn't apple having a moral epiphany and thinking they're doing ice targets a favour. Corporations don't do that sort of thing unless it will make them $$$

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When I had an iPhone 3GS I got in a hot tub with it in my pocket and it died. I let it dry out. Then I very carefully took it apart and found all the little white stickers inside that turn from white to pink when in contact with water. I used a razor blade to remove those stickers without damaging them. I then placed a drop of bleach on each which turned them back to white and let them dry out. I used very tiny amounts of super glue to re-apply them to the exact same positions within the phone and then very carefully reassembled the phone.

Took the phone into an Apple store. Guy disappeared into the back for about 10 minutes with it. Came back out and said it must have just up and died but he doesn't know how and gave me a new iPhone.

Only Apple product I've ever owned.

Fuck you Apple.

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[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 67 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (14 children)

This is why the web is way better than any app store, yes even with the problems of DNS (DIDs becoming more prevalent cant come fast enough though). Any future phones should have a first class web experience imo.

Edit: I wanna add that browser monopolies are a real threat too. Ladybird is legit on Charlie Kirk's side aka nonpolitical so not a fan of the outlook there. Would love to see KDE fork chromium/blink with valve money and recreate Konquerer and bring back KHTML (I like irony). Valve even has a fork of CEF (Chromium Embedded Framework, electron uses this as well) because of Steam and its ui being a big web app. KDE then has web apps and add them to Discovery, or you can build qt apps. Make it happen valve! And hire me to help lol

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[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 67 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It's really sickening that every corporation has thrown in with the new fascist regime.

At least these assholes used to pretend to be "not absolutely awful". Now they're just mask-off oppressors.

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 61 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Google's sideloading restrictions seems almost like its perfectly timed... 👀

Anyways, Google can gargle my:

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[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 59 points 1 week ago (7 children)

The corporate sector will always back a fascist government.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Who could have seen this coming from the company whose CEO gifted Trump a literal gold plaque in celebration of his reelection?

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[–] teolan@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago

This kind of thing is coming for Android as well once Google has converted it to it's own walled garden bullshit.

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 39 points 1 week ago (8 children)

the USA Goverment probably forced them to remove it

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 38 points 1 week ago (46 children)

Keep on buying, y'all. Show 'em we mean business when we're appalled at their actions. Giving them more money will surely let them know how much we want change!

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[–] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 week ago

Tech companies have never been our friends.

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 33 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Fuck Apple but honestly this app is like trying to stay warm with matches in Antarctica.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Fuck Apple and I'd prefer matches in Antarctica to no matches in Antarctica.

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