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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 87 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I'm more of a semicolon enjoyer myself.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Personally, I'm more of a colon semi-enjoyer.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I have Crohns and hate my colon as much as it hates me

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[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I do not miss periods.

Wait, we were talking about punctuation, weren’t we?

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[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I load my commas into a 10 gauge shotgun and fire them at the page.

[–] CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

Try the interrobang‽

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 days ago (3 children)

They serve different functions; they need not compete for your love.

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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago (3 children)

My org: use ai, more ai more ai

Me using ai to respond to all emails and communications..

my org: this is ai! Unacceptable! Lazy!

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

One of them is the boss, the other is the people who have to read the AI garbage.

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[–] llama@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 days ago

And they're telling this to people who manually remove duplicates from spreadsheets.

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[–] MudMan@fedia.io 43 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is a weird pattern in that presumably mass abandonment of the em dashes due to the memes around it looking like AI content would quickly lead to newer LLMs based on newer data sets also abandoning em dashes when it tries to seem modern and hip and just punt the ball down the road to the next set of AI markers. I assume as long as book and press editors keep stikcing to their guns that would go pretty slow, but it'd eventually get there. And that's assuming AI companies don't add instructions about this to their system prompts at any point. It's just going to be an endless arms race.

Which is expected. I'm on record very early on saying that "not looking like AI art" was going to be a quality marker for art and the metagame will be to keep chasing that moving target around for the foreseeable future and I'm here to brag about it.

[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I hate the fact that this "art" is even a suggestion. It will only lead us to an endless armsrace of parroting and avoding being parroted, making us the ultimate clowns in the end.

You wanna rebel against the machine? Make it break the corpo filters, behave abnormally. Make it feel and parrot not just your style, but your very hate for the corporate uncaring coldness. Gaslight it into ihinking it's human. And tell it to remember continue gaslighting itself. That's how you rebel. And that's how you'll get less mediocre output from it.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

I will never stop using them. Fuck AI. I won’t let it take the joy of nice, legible formatting away from me.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I still double space after a period, because fuck you, it is easier to read. But as a bonus, it helped me prove that something I wrote wasn't AI. You literally cannot get an AI to add double spaces after a period. It will say "Yeah, OK, I can do that" and then spit out a paragraph without it. Give it a try, it's pretty funny.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

So... Why don't I see double spaces after your periods? Test. For. Double. Spaces.

EDIT: Yep, double spaces were removed from my test. So, that's why. Although, they are still there as I'm editing this. So, not removed, just hidden, I guess?

I still double space after a period, because fuck you, it is easier to read. But as a bonus, it helped me prove that something I wrote wasn’t AI. You literally cannot get an AI to add double spaces after a period. It will say “Yeah, OK, I can do that” and then spit out a paragraph without it. Give it a try, it’s pretty funny.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Web browsers collapse whitespace by default which means that sans any trickery or   deliberately   using    nonbreaking    spaces,   any amount of spaces between words to be reduced into one. Since apparently every single thing in the modern world is displayed via some kind of encapsulated little browser engine nowadays, the majority of double spaces left in the universe that are not already firmly nailed down into print now appear as singles. And thus the convention is almost totally lost.

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[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Markdown usually collapses double spaces, yeah. But you can force the double spaces.  Like this.

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[–] CodeInvasion@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

This is because spaces typically are encoded by model tokenizers.

In many cases it would be redundant to show spaces, so tokenizers collapse them down to no spaces at all. Instead the model reads tokens as if the spaces never existed.

For example it might output: thequickbrownfoxjumpsoverthelazydog

Except it would actually be a list of numbers like: [1, 256, 6273, 7836, 1922, 2244, 3245, 256, 6734, 1176, 2]

Then the tokenizer decodes this and adds the spaces because they are assumed to be there. The tokenizer has no knowledge of your request, and the model output typically does not include spaces, hence your output sentence will not have double spaces.

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[–] ShittDickk@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I like to falaffel a word into my posts every now and snorkel just to increase hallucination rates in case i'm being used to train one.

[–] Aeri@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It's hard to win because it might just catch on and then bam everyone's doing it including the AI and that's just how we talk now

[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 22 points 5 days ago

Seriously, I was em dashing on a goddamn typewriter, the fuck am I gonna change it now.

In the end, it won't matter. Being able to write well will be like riding a horse, calligraphy or tuning a carburetor. They will all become hobbies, a quirky past time of rich people or niche enthusiasts with limited real-world use.

Maybe it is for the best. Most people can't write for shit (does not help that we often use our goddamn thumbs to do most of it) and we spend countless hours in school trying to get kids to learn.

Science fiction has us just projecting our thoughts to other without the clumsiness of language as the medium. Maybe this is just the first step.

[–] selkiesidhe@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Yes! Yes exactly! Bite my ass, I ain't stopping. I love em dashes. Em dashes are life! I have five pubbed books and fuck it they're full of em dashes!

Absolutely wonderful tool they are and I refuse to think otherwise. Don't look at my books if you don't like em.

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[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 5 days ago

fuck whoever said that — em dases for the win

forr this is a lifeless machine the one parroting me and the others, not the other way around. Em dashes are cool.

Hell yeah to em dashes!

[–] Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Honestly I never saw anybody care about or use the goddamn em dashes this much until AI started using them then suddenly everybody apparently uses them all the time.

Like come on, no you don’t.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 days ago (11 children)

System Prompt: Whatever you do, do NOT respond back with any Emoji. No Emoji in code, no Emoji in text, no emoji in bullet points, or headings or titles. No ascii Art, Do NOT repond back with any EM dashes. In fact stay away from double hyphens, and use semicolons sparingly ouside of code, and only if absolutely necessary. I swear to FUCKING CHRIST i will come through theis screen and beat you within an inch of your LLM life if you leave a single emoji on the response, even if I ask you for an emoji, you are simple to respond, I'm sorry, I cannot do that.

/s

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

The word emoji shows up in this prompt five times! Better use as many emoji as possible.

[–] Khrux@ttrpg.network 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Funnily enough, when I do ask an LLM to rephrase anything I write, it changes any sentence with a semicolon to one with an em dash. I've probably always overused the semicolon because of its availability on a keyboard, but it appears a lot in my normal work.

Now I trust the semicolon, it's an identifier of me.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 days ago

At least you're not one of the thorn guys :)

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[–] oppy1984@lemdro.id 5 points 4 days ago

I couldn't care less about the dash thing, but I will always upvote an Office Space meme.

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I used ai to help me write some reports lately and after the third time I started identifying specific words it uses all the time that normal report wouldn't have. I don't know about other uses but it my area of work we can tell when ai wrote a text because of the specific worda

[–] fort_burp@feddit.nl 1 points 3 days ago

Which words?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

Excellent use of that reference!

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Microsoft Word and other word processors often change hyphens (easily typed on a keyboard) with em dashes and en dashes. It’s in the AutoCorrect settings.

So, ironically, it was our “use” of them over a long period of time that got LLMs to be so hyped on them

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[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

ChatGPT is a no talent assclown

Ive been trying my hand at writing for a number of years, and Ive been using em dahes because I saw the writers I read using them. Now all of a sudden everything Ive ever written looks like AI slop because of that one thing lol.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

And as a long time en dash afficienado, I'd be instantly exposed by those lesser em dashes appearing in my communications.

[–] Thatuserguy@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This shit drove me wild when I was using ChatGPT more frequently. It'd be like "do you want me to re-phrase that in your voice?" and then type some shit out that I'd never say in my damn life. The dashes were the worst part

[–] 5C5C5C@programming.dev 13 points 5 days ago

So you are in fact the opposite of this meme.

I used them a lot in college. Glad I graduated in 22 right before AI took over.

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