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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 103 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Not high art, but refreshing to see actual acting in a comic book movie.

Especially after they made an entire island of warrior women do Israeli accents just to paper over the fact that their lead actress can't fake a different one.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So... You've seen Scarface, then? Or Snatch? πŸ€·πŸΌβ€β™‚οΈπŸ€£

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

What is this supposed to mean relevant to the comment you're responding to?

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Specifically, Pacino's "Cuban" accent was so bad that actual Cuban cast members were trained to mimic it just to help it be less glaring. Additionally, Pitt's "pikey" was so nonsensical, the other actors couldn't even begin to approximate it and the disconnect is visible onscreen in their reaction time to his lines.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

and the disconnect is visible onscreen in their reaction time to his lines.

I thought that was intentional, like part of his character, that he speaks nonsensically.

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[–] shinratdr@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

He’s saying that his bar for high art is higher than β€œother comic book movies” but still pretty low.

To use the metaphor from the meme, he’s swam in a lake, but still not the ocean.

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[–] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 65 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I just didn't watch this movie for years because I was thinking just like the reviewer here. This year I finally watched it and... it was ok. The biggest reason to see it was because I really like Joaquin Phoenix and I wanted to see the movie from which he won his Oscar.

There's a lot of things in his Joker performance worth a revisit: how he talks, and how he moves, is really unique and definitely worth the victory. I just wish he would've got his Oscar from The Master, which for me is a groundbreaking movie and has one of the best scenes of all time with Joaquin and Philip Seymour Hoffman in the jail cell.

But he got it from the Joker, and I'm glad he got the recognition.

[–] DrMango@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Joaquin carried the fuck out of Joker and his performance, as usual, was spectacular. Unfortunately, for me at least, that's where the merits of the film ended. I get that it resonated with a lot of people so maybe I am just not in the right headspace to truly appreciate the message, but ultimately I share the thoughts of the reviewer in the OP on this one.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

It was a Taxi Driver remake that licensed a DC character instead of paying Scorsese. It was solidly okay.

But Phoenix 100% earned the Oscar with it.

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[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Good movie IMO, solid 7/10.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Worth the watch then? Looking to add some new movies to my collection

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

Yes, worth the watch.

Just keep expectations neutral, this one is also unique in that it focuses more on decline of society, dark movie.

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's a suspenseful movie showing miserable things. If that's your thing then it's worth the watch.

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[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 14 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It is Taxi Driver set in the DC universe.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Maybe for the first half, but their character development diverges at the end. Travis Bickle attempted to do something good, however misplaced, but the joker just wanted to watch the world burn.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The way I see it, Travis thinks he's doing something good, and succeeds in becoming a 'hero' purely by accident.

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[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

For me, I thought it was one of the greatest films I’ve ever seen in my life.

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I had someone tell me that, and was incredibly let down. Maybe I just didn't get it.

[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

That’s fair, I’d argue that a viewer being able to closely relate to the protagonist or a character in the film is what changes their view of the film.

For example, I’ve heard a lot of people love the Black Panther movie and the antagonist. I personally never liked the movie, nor relate to the movie at all, but I can understand someone relating to being an oppressed minority in American urban cities and the desire to rise up.

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[–] IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee 25 points 11 months ago

I saw it in the theater and glad I did. What I saw on the screen was a reflection of my own mental problems. A lot of people didn't see themselves up there, and that's totally cool. But it's pretty disingenuous to wave the movie off like it had zero meaning.

And that werewolf scene is classic cinema.

[–] BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

I thought it was pretty good for a King of Comedy/Taxi Driver remake

[–] awnery@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

the movie was better than i expected but... what?

[–] soupcat@sopuli.xyz 62 points 11 months ago (8 children)

I think they're commenting on all the people who thought it was amazing because they'd mostly been exposed to Marvel movies.

ps: I have no dogs in this fight

[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

he tried, but they just kinda sat there, licking their balls, ignoring the fight completely

[–] soupcat@sopuli.xyz 5 points 11 months ago

can confirm

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[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Edgelords making quotes about ok comic book movies

[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

I'm going to use the name edgelord for my only fans.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago

The truly outstanding thing about Joker was the OST by Hildur GuΓ°nadΓ³ttir. Other than that, it was...fine.

[–] Floey@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Why does every piece of media need to be the deepest thing ever? Or why do we have to assume media is trying to be? This to me sounds like when people call music pretentious simply because it's a combination of something they don't like and also not like things normally on the radio. It's even weirder in a case like this when the movie is a blockbuster film and not some indie joint.

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In the case of this movie a lot of people were saying it was an important and deep move. So this review is more a reaction the tremendous over hype joker got from some groups of people.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It’s expectation

They went in expecting it to be deep

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

You guys are crazy! Joker is a nuanced and thoughtful study on the ripple effects of sustained trauma and Joaquin Phoenix's performance is perhaps the best of his carrier. No, wait, sorry I was thinking of "You Were Never Really Here" (2017)

Anybody notice the Batman villain as social anxiety trend? Leger's Joker channeled Islamic terrorists, Phoenix's channeled lone wolf shooters, while Dano's Riddler was an incel.

Edit: i made a change

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[–] DroneRights@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

Getting some Boss Baby vibes from this

[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

I like the movie a lot πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

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[–] Aarrodri@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I just want to say the comments in this thread are very interesting to read and thought provoking. Just taking a moment to appreciate this community.

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