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Fact: Trump and his goons were already crushing dissent and looking for any path to do so, regardless as to whether they had an excuse or not.
Don't let Trump crush resistance to fascism too.
I hope this doesn't happen. Don't let the thugs goad you, you'll be playing into their hand.
What you do doesn't really matter. The police will start a riot regardless of your actions.
The thugs are mixed in with the protectors.
It’s been my worry for the past few weeks, tensions are so high and the administration is itching for the excuse to become even more heavy handed and draconian. I’m of the opinion this(not this moment but the full situation we find ourselves in) is all gonna end in massive violence one way or the other but I worry about this protest specifically because of how it’s been organized.
Requiring full and and email to RSVP to it? And how they’ve been working alongside the cops to make sure it’s just a demonstration and not a proper disruption. To me that screams bad opsec at minimum and if just one of the protests gets violent the fascists will get that list and use it as an excuse to round folks up and scare the shit out of others who want to stand against them.
I don’t want to tell people not to go, I went to pretty much every associated protest all summer in my area. But everyone should be extremely careful, don’t RSVP just show up, be wary of any bridges, and most importantly DONT BRING YOUR FUCKING PHONE
Guess my sign has to be even more ultra offensive to Trump then
It's now clear that most people never cared about freedom of speech, or even understood why it's important. They only care about freedom of speech as it applies to themselves. I suppose that's distressingly true for all of the rights we used to take for granted.
Regardless, it's still law, and the courts are still limping along, so there's still hope.
I think the biggest hope we have left is that our military leaders swore an oath to the Constitution, and that they'll honor that if Trump tries to stay in office come 2028. That is, assuming he hasn't kicked the bucket before then. Exactly what this would look like, I don't know. I suppose it just means the rigged-elected VP would become President, and we'd still be in a mess.
Bring it on, fascists.
This article is trying to crush the participation. Trump's ego can not handle a protest like this.
Do you know how many National Guard they sent to Memphis? 9 so far, and they sent them to tourist areas as a Scare Theater along with the cops.
Exactly. They're trying to scare us off. A little courage now may spare us the need for really scary things later.
This is no surprise, I've been waiting for this a long time.
I'm assuming that this protest the trump admin will do everything possible to escalate and by sheer statistics, people will respond and there is a good non zero chance that fire will hit the shit that will hit a fan...
It is what it is. I fully applaud those that protest, I curse those that won't, no matter your excuse. We're talking about a future.whereany Americans may very well end up dead or well, imagine the excesses of nazi Germany. "But they will fire me if I protest" sounds empty and hollow at best.
Either way, god speed, don't let yourself be tricked into violence, record record record, don't let them take you either because when you disappear, good chance you won't come back at this stage.
I’ll be leaving my phone at home, and writing my lawyer’s phone number on my body.
I strongly recommend others do the same.
Well, then. I guess they'd better be so large, that local authorities have no choice but to stand back.
When do we put in for a general strike?
If you haven't joined a union, do so. If you have joined a union, start agitating for a general strike and don't let the legality of a strike stop you. People can't force you to work. Air Canada recently told the government to get bent and "illegally" stayed on strike for 3 days until securing almost everything they asked for. You're not slaves.
The government shutdown IS a General Strike, one that really hits them where it matters.
We should embrace it in that spirit. We will hold the government hostage until MAGA understands that giving tax cuts to Sociopathic Oligarchs by cutting the health care to the rest of Americans is UNACCEPTABLE.
The government shutdown IS a General Strike
No it's not a general strike. That is a lack of funding and OMB has a policy memo explaining how furloughed workers cannot work during a shutdown. It cites to 31 U.S.C. 1342. So, by law they are prohibited from working, thus this is not a strike.
A general strike would be to like not go into work for a few days en mass.
I know what a general strike is. The point is that the government shutdown is nearly the same thing. The only reason other countries haven't employed it before is because the mechanism is uniquely American, baked into our system.
Other countries have to shut down their entire country with a general strike. We can shut down just the government, and punish the problem directly.
Generalstrikeus.com
That sounds like something a king would try to do. Just saying.
Don't you love it when they prove your point for you?
- House Majority Whip Tom Emmer (R-MN) said in a Tuesday Fox Business interview: “We call it the 'Hate America' rally because you'll see the hate for America all over this thing when they show up. … The rumor is that they can't end this shutdown beforehand because this small but very violent and vocal group is the only one that's happy about this."
It’s afraid.
I have a lot of mixed thoughts regarding the No Kings protests (and have discussed them with many organizers)
At the best of times, a parade protest is mostly just there to "show solidarity" but risks people thinking that is at all enough. But the crowds back in June? They were not equipped for any pushback. Even just tear gas (let alone "rubber bullets") would have caused widespread panic and trampling. Not to mention the people who are dumb enough to bring a "concealed carry" gun to a protest.
I am weirdly less worried about police/ice/soldiers unloading and more about "something" happening (false flag or not) to trigger a panic and a stampede.
Usually I make it a point to be either at the core or near the "front" of a protest (think: The dude what pays attention to exactly how many inches from the sidewalk we are). This Saturday? Mad props to the brave bastards who are going to fill that role but me and the old heads I am close to are staying near the edges and encouraging all our friends and family to do the same. This is really feeling like the kind of protest where your exit plan is basically Plan A.
Where I was we had easy evacuation routes. An attack would have dispersed the crowd, but not done more.
OTOH a massacre would likely destroy Republican legitimacy among a chunk of their supporters
Violent government reaction may achieve the short term goal of ending the protest and terrorizing citizens, but it often backfires badly in the long run.
During Vietnam, protests were common, they covered them on the news every day. Lots of people were against them.
Then Kent State happened, and 4 students were murdered by National Guardsmen because they were protesting the evil Draft ( and several others injured, some permanently), and a LOT people changed. They may not have liked the protests, but murdering students who were exercising their 1st Amendment Rights was too much.
It was an enormous change in perception, and it was the beginning of the end for the draft, and the war.
If they react violently to the protests, especially if they use live ammunition, it will be very, very bad for them.
And watch out for agents provocateur among the crowd, encouraging violence, maybe carrying weapons, Molotov cocktails, etc.
OTOH a massacre would likely destroy Republican legitimacy among a chunk of their supporters
I think you over estimate the humanity of many of their supporters.
Fox and friends would cover it like a massive terror of burning the city.
We dont need to flip most of their supporters to change things radically. Flipping 1 in 10 would do it
That's what people aren't getting. We will never have 100% come back to reality. Many are lost to the MAGA fantasy forever. We'll deal with them later.
We just need to wake up enough of them to weaken their voting base to either switch parties, or refuse to vote at all. Nothing is worse than someone who has been converted. Ex-MAGAs will be Trump's worst nightmare.
We're at the point most of their base would cheer and depending on if any progressives were also taken out both parties would party for days in celebration
Well, good luck. Gonna need a much bigger group of fascists to crush any dissent.
"You’re seeing people out there with thousands of signs that all match, pre-bought, pre-put together. They are organized, and someone is funding it."
As always they make accusations to mask the truth of the accusation on their own side. The No Kings people aren't the ones with giant professionally printed custom flags and actual corporations creating the merch they wear to their events. Crazy
