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USA Will Invest in High-Speed ​​Train to Fight Climate Change::The USA Will Invest in High-Speed ​​Train to Fight Climate Change - US President Joe Biden announced in a speech on December 9, 2023 that they are carrying out the first high-speed train projects in US history. These projects are across America

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[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 51 points 11 months ago (7 children)

These projects are part of an $10 billion investment

California’s HSR system come in at $80 billion for 520 miles, or $154 million per mile. Amtrak estimates that it would cost $500 million per mile to turn its Northeast Corridor route into a true high-speed system. source

For $10 billion, we are talking an additional 20 to 65 miles of high speed rail to be built. This is basically nothing...

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 53 points 11 months ago

The worst part is that it usually follows well known cycle of:

  • project is estimated at $10b, government assigns $10b
  • private companies spend it on consultants and analysis, little gets built
  • government agrees to invest another $5b but requires cuts to the initial scope
  • with reduced scope projected passengers numbers drop, project is less attractive
  • repeat until cost is 1000% of the initial estimate and usefulness is 0. cancel project
[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Drop in the bucket, I’m curious how much it would take to make most of the US/NA traversable by high speed rail

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Depends on what you mean by most.

  • most of the population is quite achievable. Send a little time at https://www.ushsr.com/
  • most of the geography, trillions, and we couldn’t afford to keep it operating

I really think that confusing this is a common mistake. People claim high speed rail is impossible in the US because we’re big (and ignoring China, eu), but we have plenty of cities, and most of them are clustered. High speed rail is great for cities within a few hundred miles of each other. We got those, and that’s most of the population

It’s specious to take scenarios high speed rail doesn’t do well at and claiming that it means it can’t work. Let’s apply a little intelligence here’d and use the right technology for the right scenario

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[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 43 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wish them all the best! May this decision carry through administrations and the USA embrace fast, public transport once again.

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

At this point, Trump will probably win in '24 and immediately kill off the project

Getting more than a little annoyed by the political tennis, back and forth and nothing actually getting done because everything that is done gets undone as soon as the other party takes back control

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Isn't Trump in danger of being taken off the ballot due to something about being involved in a treacherous act? IIRC it was something about an amendment to the constitution introduced after the civil war to stop Southern soldiers from participating in politics.

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 11 months ago

Yes, and if it actually gets used to prevent him from running I will be stunned.

One judge already ruled that he did, indeed, incite insurrection, but then weaseled out by saying something to the effect of "it doesn't specify presidents in the amendment" in their ruling so they did absolutely nothing about it.

Hope springs eternal and all, but he seems immune to consequences. Again, hoping that changes, but I'm not holding my breath.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

It's incredibly hard for the government to get anything done that takes more than 8 years. Even if you don't end up changing presidential parties, trying to keep the house and senate out of the budgets is a serious challenge.

Even if they can keep people out of the piggy bank trying to get the corporations to follow through with their end of the deal It's like herding cats.

Billions have been sunk into rural broadband with almost no penetration.

As much as I hate musk, The only way we're going to get people back on the moon and out to Mars Will be because of government leveraging private industry.

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[–] andrewth09@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

What a weak article. It's barely three paragraphs and contains basically no details. Here is the press release from the Dept of Transportation.

[–] ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Thank you for this. Looked up all the proposed changes for my state. I really hope these get implemented. In MN I've been waiting for a twin cities to Duluth train connection.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

Thank you, thats a lot more exciting to see!

[–] opulentocean@lemm.ee 36 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Cool. It's just like, more than 20 years late, but cool

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

The 2000 election was such a massive turning point for the US. So many branching consequences, but imagine if we had had an environmentalist in the White House instead of Mr. Buy and Drill Our Way Out of This? At the time of 9/11 I believe it was Tom Daschle of SD on record calling for a Green Manhattan Project which obviously fell on deaf ears quite quickly as the bombs started raining down on Baghdad. Sure there'd still be cries for vengeance, but I also think if POTUS had been saying at the time 'we win this war by getting ourselves off foreign energy' it just might have been persuasive enough to embark on some major developments.

[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 5 points 11 months ago

I keep saying that about almost everything. But yeah, "Oh cool we're where we should have been!"

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

It's like a hundred years late. The US was built with ~~invented~~ trains, we should have the best train network in the world.

In fact we did until we also invented cars and fucked the world up by favoring highways and essentially single-person metal boxes.

[–] trex@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They also did not invent cars. That were the Germans and the french

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

We also invented beer, picking your nose, and whatever you think your country invented. USA USA USA /s

[–] ccunix@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

The US invented neither trains nor cars.

It is true the US was basically built on railroads, so I agree that it should have an awesome network, but it is just too big. Even if France ships you all a bunch of TGVs it will take days to go from NYC to LA. Something that takes hours by plane.

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[–] grasshopper_mouse@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Barack Obama tried to do the same thing: https://time.com/3100248/high-speed-rail-barack-obama/

While I would love for this to be a reality, I just don't see it actually happening.

[–] ieightpi@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The way the US shows more progress is if the Democrats can stay in power for a long enough period of time. But the last time Dems had that kind of power was as far back as 2008. It makes you wonder if the only way Democrats can ever get into power is when a recession hits.

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but with climate change in front of us, we actually don't have time.

I'm incredibly nihilistic right now.

[–] hagelslager@feddit.nl 5 points 11 months ago

Climate change doesn't matter when it's lawyers and economists in charge, there's money to be made... unfortunately.

[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Until the Republicans shoot it down and instead use that budget to give their rich chums more tax breaks

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 31 points 11 months ago (5 children)

It’ll take the US decades to get high-speed rail up and running, especially with its culture of litigation, property rights, regulatory capture and politicised overregulation of threats to incumbents, not to mention Citizens United and the ability of the aforementioned incumbents to buy laws and regulations. By then, climate change will have won.

[–] Trollception@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

So, should we just give up then and not bother?

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 7 points 11 months ago

Oh good! I was hoping for some defeatism in the face of a relatively positive bit of news.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Let's say, ten years in the future, a brilliant scientist invents a magic box that drastically reduces some of the biggest inflictors of CO2, and/or even repairs some of the previous damage. Such a marvelous invention would only be valuable in saving the human race if there were simultaneously other improvements on efficiency and CO2 generation to improve the overall reductions.

Movies get us used to one person/initiative saving the world. What's more practical is a whole bunch of little initiatives - even if each one doesn't do enough on its own.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago

You've got to love internet negativity. Nothing can ever be good.

There are plenty of issues to deal with, but this is a huge improvement over the existing status-quo. Can we be happy that the Biden Administration has done something to move things in the right direction on this issue?

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (4 children)

United States will never be able to achieve something like this because tiny ass governments of little weird counties all across the country will complain about having tracks run through their stupid shit hole

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[–] Colorcodedresistor@lemm.ee 22 points 11 months ago

i want this to be real. I've loved trains since i was a toddler. and as an adult Trains are some thicc power chungus

unfortunately the only trains left are either subways or commercial rails, yes there is Some passenger trains. But can you get to anywhere in americs on one? Not today, Not the infrastructure that will take decades to build and Not the follow up on promises made promises. kept...coughthebigdigbostoncough

(F40PH gang gang) back in my day we memed about objects, zoomers be all meta n shit. get out of my my head charles!

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Will it though?

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

USA will invest in high speed train to... Return on investments made by lobbyists.

[–] MyDogLovesMe@sh.itjust.works 16 points 11 months ago

Wow. I’m so underwhelmed.

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 11 points 11 months ago

Came to this thread for my daily dose of trite cynicism. Was not disappointed.

[–] LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol 9 points 11 months ago

Hopefully they don't pick internal systems that lock the train if you take it to a 3rd party repair business😆

[–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

Wildly misleading title, USA has not made any concrete plans for the investment, and has a history of lying about everything.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

as soon as the Republicans are elected with a full house they can shut this down and throw away all of the money that was put into it

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[–] grayman@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Anyone that's been on am amtrak knows exactly how well this will go.

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