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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 73 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

What part of tiny pie charts was necessary? Just make a heatmap but in dots.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Right? Is this a revival of dataisugly?

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 5 points 3 weeks ago

All I see is the two colors. If I wanted to have to look closely I would have just opted for a list.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How much sense does a heatmap make if you have one data point per country? Also, I don't know what you mean by dots? (Asking to understand)

[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Put a dot on the map for each data point, or colour regions if that's how the data is.

Given this is effectively one piece of data (% of income on rent) you can colour it on a scale. A red dot is 100% on rent. A green dot is 0% on rent. Colours in between represent middle states.

I actually prefer this though, easier to see detail instead of having to compare shades of colours, our brains have issues with that sometimes. (This can be avoided with a good colour scheme I guess?)

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Greatly prefer this as well. It's a lot easier to tell the difference between 50 and 75% with a pie chart than it is with your eyeballs looking at how similar or different two colors are.

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[–] fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago

Dot heatmaps font represent accurate numbers the same as this. Which size is 70%? Which is 50?

Nah that's a bad choice.

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[–] Faydaikin@beehaw.org 63 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Geezus Lisbon, get your shit together.

[–] guy@piefed.social 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"Wow can't be fun to live in Tiran- holy fuck Lisbon!"

[–] Zedd00@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago

Tirana got crazy quick. 2 years ago we rented a 3 bedroom in the center for €850/month. Now you frequently see 1 bedrooms further out for €1200.

[–] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Isnt it the expats that are driving up the prices

[–] guy@piefed.social 26 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Iirc it's not immigrants but Airbnb. I've read articles about it, but it might be somewhere else

[–] huppakee@piefed.social 9 points 3 weeks ago

I've read both are true. Tourism + digital nomand, because Portuguese weather is good and lisbon is relatively affordable, but i'm sure a local could give you a better answer.

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[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's a pretty easy to avoid saying you're an American immigrant

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 weeks ago

Hate that word "expat". "I hate immigrants but I'm a white man with money living in a country I wasn't born in", or better worded, "immigrant, but also an asshole"

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[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 48 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Weird choice to not include cities as big as the capitals. Milan, Zurich and Barcelona would definitely have been interesting.

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[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 31 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Waddahell goin on in Portugal. How are they not dead from starvation or is food just that cheap?

[–] fx242@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Investment funds hoarding all houses on the market. Entire buildings getting purchased and people evicted, just to transform them in to another boring AirBnB or hostel.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 27 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

This is, quite possibly, the most useless map I've seen.

Not only is it using average salaries, it's also only looking at country capitals, where executive salaries are notoriously obnoxious.

For this to have any real-life use, it should be using the median salary, at the very least, and use the average apartment price based on data from, I don't know, top-10 cities.

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[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What's going on in Lisbon?

[–] Vrijgezelopkamers@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Policies that are too welcoming to expats with high incomes and foreign remote workers that like sunny weather and cheap everything.

Also: air b&b’s and cheap ryanair flights

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[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

The best second best weather in Europe 🤐

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

They can't answer. The internet money was used to tip the landlord.

[–] Quazatron@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Local politicians seem to be more interested in "unicorn factories" and WebSummit show off events than solving the issues of the people that elected them. Twice. So the voters may not be too bright either.

[–] groet@feddit.org 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Using a pie chart to represent a single (scalar) data point ... Bad map! Bad map!

[–] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Using a pie chart ~~to represent a single (scalar) data point ...~~ Bad ~~map~~! Bad ~~map~~!

FTFY

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No but seriously, Lisbon how?

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

demand

lots of people want to live there. rents go up.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And there are always openings because they all starve to death?

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

no, the demand is very recent. 10 years ago nobody know wtf lisbon was. now is i very 'hot' place to travel/live, hence the rents skyrocketed.

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[–] scytale@piefed.zip 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Terrible charts aside, Bern and Vienna were surprising to me. Good wages? Or rent control laws?

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

adequate housing supply for the housing demand.

a concept a lot of cities actively refuse to believe is possible by their obsession with limiting development.

for rents to be stable you need 6-7% of available units vacant. almost double that vacancy if you want to drive prices down.

the vacancy rate in many places is like 1%. hence the rents going up super fast YoY. in my city people bid up rent because there are so few apartments available. so it lists for 2800/mo and the person that gets it is paying 3200/mo.

my city builds like 5000 new apartments per year. the population is growing by like 25,000 people per year. so the rent is skyrocketing. we keep adding lots and lots of jobs. every new development is like 5000 jobs, and 100 apartments. where are the other 4900 people going to live?

[–] starchylemming@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

one reason why vienna is better than other cities:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemeindebau

they saw a problem and started building

lol one complex is even called karl marx hof

edit: chart is awful indeed it features capital cities only. Berlin is still cheaper than München. not for a lack of trying tho

[–] ooli3@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 weeks ago

unfortunately there is no amount of wage that prevent high rent.. on the contrary. All the city with low relative rend have rent control laws.

And they must be updated often since landlords try to sneak their way.

For exemple, in Paris, there is a fashion trend of building offering " coworking rent", where they rent you a 10m2 for exuberant price, and they justify it by having a "PC room " in the building or something. So the city is in the process of banning thoses "coworking" place, which are just a way to bypass rent control law

[–] mech@feddit.org 10 points 3 weeks ago

I can't speak for the other countries, but HOW IN THE FUCK would you even find a 1 bedroom apartment in Berlin?
Also, the average salary isn't what someone living in a 1 bedroom apartment would earn.
I'm over 40, working as an IT sysadmin, and just recently started making an average salary for Germany.
The average is skewed heavily by the top 10% who make a lot more than everyone else.
If you want to discuss housing prices, compare with the median instead.

[–] merci3@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

lisbon 🥀🥀

[–] Limfjorden@feddit.dk 8 points 3 weeks ago

This is a bad "map". The pie charts add clutter to the image, and it's not immediatly obvious how two cities compare. The country borders offer no additional information other than vague context for those who know what countries are located where. Since there is only one datapoint per country, it might as well have been a line of columns showing percentage of salary used by colouring part of the column red. The map medium does not help in anyway to provide the information.

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Looking at this map and its indecipherable piecharts made me go "huh most of the capitals are actually livable" ... then I compared them with the only place where I have an idea of the rent, Copenhagen, and WTF?

I wouldn't even move to Copenhagen, how the fuck are y'all affording these other prices? Undisclosed income? WTF?!?

[–] mech@feddit.org 9 points 3 weeks ago

Average salary is a useless metric. A small number of people make so much money that it raises the "average" to much more than what the "average" worker earns.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

ITT: people with no idea how to represent a proportion.

Pie charts are correct, here.

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[–] j5906@feddit.org 7 points 3 weeks ago

#portugalsukablyat

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 3 weeks ago

Once again, Portugal is so far west it underflows into eastern Europe.

[–] pseudo@jlai.lu 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Is this 3D diagrams across a 2D map?

[–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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How is Rome not all red?

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