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[–] kernelle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 112 points 6 days ago (15 children)

I've always learned it comes from damaged hair cells inside the ear, how could it be anything but physical? Very surprised it can be picked up with a microphone in an anechoic chamber though

[–] zout@fedia.io 99 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's called objective tinnitus. Tinnitus can have different causes, the damaged hair cells one is the most common.

[–] kernelle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I was with you until: "[...] but it can also be heard by the examiner (eg, by placing a stethoscope over the patient's external auditory canal)." and now I'm even more confused

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago

The DC power supply inside your ears is only medium quality and so your preamp is prone to picking up coil whine.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 49 points 6 days ago (10 children)

how could it be anything but physical?

The sound? Well, ultimately sounds are just those hairs and your cochlea and eardrum and all that getting hit by vibrations in the air and sending signals to your brain which get interpreted; damage the equipment so it sends signals even when there's no vibrations in the air hitting it, and you have your non-physical sound. Same way phantom limb syndrome works.

However what if the damage doesn't cause signals in the absence of sound? What if tinnitus is actually the cochlea itself (or something/s in the apparatus anyway) physically vibrating and producing that whining sound? Like a mosquito's wings beating.

[–] kernelle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 6 days ago

Makes sense, and I've also read it's very hard to study as well. Different causes with the same perceived sound sounds like a diagnostic nightmare

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I have a kind of tinnitus that comes and goes based on how stressed out the tendons in my neck and jaw are, on one side, after a pretty serious physical injury.

I can basically massage away my tinnitus a good deal of the time, its only on the side that got fucked up.

Beyond that, I actually have exceptionally good hearing (for my age at least), and I often hear things other people don't even notice, yay autism!

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 31 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Poorly shielded electronic devices go ~~BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT~~ EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 64 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Here is an interview with her. She had it bad:

“I do have a chronic health condition, which made it difficult to pinpoint if it was that that was suddenly getting worse, or whether it was [the damage to the ear] that was causing neurological changes, but I literally couldn’t walk straight; I was having what looked like strokes where I would collapse.” A violinist, she was told by doctors to give up playing. When the COVID pandemic arrived a few months in, she was forced to shield because of ultimately false suspicions that she had MS. “I got really frustrated,” De La Mata says. “I wasn’t getting any of the answers I wanted. It was, ‘Your hearing is fine, you’re young, you’re healthy,’ and it’s like, well clearly I’m not if I can’t walk and people are feeding me.”

https://thequietus.com/interviews/lola-de-la-mata-oceans-on-azimuth-tinnitus-interview/

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 5 days ago (3 children)

"you're young, you're healthy", and its like, well clearly I'm not if I can't walk and people are feeding me.

Yup, sounds like a doctor alright

I've had my own fair share of doctors not believing my struggles. Sometimes even directly getting in the way of medical help. And yes, it's incredibly unhelpful.

[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago

I spent 20 years trying to find a rheumatologist who would take my positive lupus test results, symptoms, extensive family history, and potential comorbidities seriously and give me a diagnosis and treatment. Nobody would listen until I was 23 because I was "too young." After 23, they started accusing me of just wanting medical marijuana.

At 27 I finally found a doctor that would take me seriously. We spent 2 hours going over the 15 years of medical records of mine that are accessible digitally, as well as some physical records from before that that my mother kept in a safe. The doctor ordered an absurd amount of tests and gave me a diagnosis when they all came back indicating that I, indeed, have lupus. She saw the same results in all of my records, too. I've tested positive and have had all of the other indicators my entire life. Like I am a textbook case of Systemic Lupus Erythematous that attacks the joints and connective tissue.

She started me on treatment and for the first time in my life, I'm not ruled by my pain and fatigue. I actually have a life now. I have started doing things that I've always dreamed of doing because now I can. I'm not chained to my bed anymore.

All of the doctors that refused to treat me despite positive test results and symptoms because I was "too young" or "just wanting marijuana" can rot in Hell. "Do not harm" my ass. I spent twenty years suffering, with multiple pediatricians and general practitioners sending me to every rheumatologist they knew of to try to get treatment for what they, non-specialists, believe I suffer from.

I drive two and a half hours one way every 6 months to see my rheumatologist and it's worth it because she gave me my life. I'd say she gave my life back to me, but I never had one to begin with. I'm actually living now. 20 years too late if you ask me, but better late than never.

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

A violinist, she was told by doctors to give up playing.

i've had doctors recommend similar. i've basically learned MDs gave up all their dreams and they expect us to do so as well

[–] JonHammCock@lemmy.ml 72 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Mawp. Mawp. Mawp.

[–] pigup@lemmy.world 33 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

So its a real sound? Noise cancelling implants then?

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 27 points 6 days ago (6 children)

i had decent pitch before my tinnitus, but it rings at a constant e8. now i have perfect pitch.

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[–] arsCynic@piefed.social 35 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)
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[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago

This was already known. Some forms of tinnitus are 'real'

[–] Quexotic@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago (3 children)
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[–] DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

What lind of Horton Hears a Who shit is this?

My tinnitus is a real vibration and not faulty signals from dead hair cells in my inner ear?

Seriously?

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (3 children)

My tinnitus is at the very upper frequency range of my ability to hear, right around 13,000 Hz (I'm 60). Fortunately, I don't notice it except in a quiet room.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (3 children)

extremely dumb question, but would a very loud 13kHz sound kill the cochlear cells that detect that specific frequency?

[–] ngdev@lemmy.zip 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

now we're onto something. shoot that tinnitus dead with high frequency sound lasers

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[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I thought otoacoustic emissions were known for a while, but I guess confirming that tinnitus is (or can be) an OAE might be promising for treatment.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I thought tinnitis is where your brain can't filter it out? I think most people can hear a sound anywhere if they focus on it.

[–] saturn_888@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Almost. Tinnitus is constant ear ringing. Like a high pitched, constant noise. It does vary in intensity in people who have it though and is not always noticeable. (I don't have tinnitus, so may not be 100% accurate)

When your brain can't filter out sounds, that is one of the side effects of audio processing disorder. Probably a lot of other things that cause it too. Audio processing disorder is exactly what it sounds like. You can hear, but its hard to understand. Can't filter sounds (you hear all sounds at their actual volume). Sometimes causes people to think I am hearing impaired. Frequently causes me to mishear things as completely different, unrelated sounds. Many people also have difficulty determining which direction noises come from, although I haven't personally experienced this

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[–] Jhuskindle@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Wait what? I can literally put my head to my kids ear and she can hear my tinnitus. How is this news?

[–] justaman123@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Wait what??

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 13 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I got rid of my handheld game after I noticed my thumb was starting to twitch while I was at rest.

Apparently, the same thing can happen with ears.

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (3 children)

This is the one thing I don’t like about some doctors and scientists: they think they know everything, and in doing so they become lazy and dismissive (or they only care about money and fame). They should always be curious, and always seek to find the next truth, no matter what the general consensus is in the community. Good on De La Mata for challenging the status quo.

that's a good philosophy in general. but I'm practice, it's hard.

for every million "that can't be" theories only a handful pan out. doing every "stupid" experiment is practically impossible.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 14 points 6 days ago

This is literally an example of a scientist being curious about something they don't know and setting up an extremely far fetched experiment.

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