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Conservatives: "Muh 2AAAAY!"
Groups Conservatives Hate and Threaten: sigh "When in ~~Rome~~ Crazy Conservative Fascist Land..." buys guns "But we're not going to cuddle with them while we rock ourselves to sleep or name them Betty lou."
Conservatives: "Wait...NOT LIKE THAT!"
POC, women and LGBT folks are, and have been, the biggest gun buying demographic for a few years. Ain't that somethin'? This old white guy is here for it.
Gun are not magical protection talismans. Learn, train, go learn and train more. Know your rights, know the laws in your area.
There's a steep learning/practice curve. For example, the safety rules are childishly simple. What's not simple is practicing them religiously, practicing until mere knowledge becomes reflex.
And then you have to ask, and answer yourself, under what conditions am I willing to take a human life?
"I do not kill with my gun; he who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father. I kill with my heart.”
― Stephen King, The Gunslinger
Think on it.
If you're willing to go through all that, get a fucking gun. If not, do not.
As someone who served (for school, not the cause), I disagree.
If these fascists get their way and start coming for "undesirables," better a poor shot than no shot at all. Training dramatically increases the chance of hitting someone, but again, better to have a chance than none at all.
And you can learn the basics in a couple outings. Guns are not a steep learning curve, especially if you focus on a single model. They're so easy to learn, a willfully illiterate Alabamian can do it. The bar for a successful IKEA assembly is far higher.
Gun people, by that I mean gun fetishizers, just like to play pretend it's highly technical to be a basic user. Like 90s dads with camcorders.
They're a dangerous tool largely designed to be user friendly, nothing more.
Focusing on a single weapon is great, and a great point! LOL, I'm all over the place.
But the number of women I've dated that have a 9, uh, somewhere, uh, just in case... Having said that, the women I've taught are always far better than the guys.
You got a point in that something is better than nothing. Mostly. I just don't want people carrying around guns when they haven't made the commitment to training, safety and the law. Good way to get themselves, and others, in worse trouble.
From what people say on nextdoor.com, it's astonishing what my neighbors think makes for a justified shooting.
And yes, I fully expect the fascists to come for many of us. We've had it easy and peaceful in America, pretty much forever. I've outlined a scenario many times where my conservative neighbors come to disarm me, "for my own good".
Good points, and yeah ego gets in the way with a lot of CoD obsessed dudes.
I'd rather we didn't live in gun dystopia, but the fascist gun nutters are ironically the reason why everyone else kind of needs one.
So with that said. Better to buy one commitment or no, with the only proviso being a trigger lock and keeping the key in a secured place. Then it's an insurance policy if there's violence in the streets. With any luck, You can easily fumble through looking through a keyhole or smart doorbell at a fascist banging on your door demanding to take/end you, bringing the gun downstairs quietly, aiming straight at the door, and clumsily shooting through.
Again, better that chance than just accepting violent death.
To that last point, it freaks me out how many people intend to lie down and die rather than fight back.
"You gonna fight tanks and planes, LOL!"
No. I'm going to defend my family and my home. If that means my death, that was in the cards anyway. Rather die with my boots on than starve on a train.
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They only like states' rights when it's a way infringe on individual rights.
...that is, if the "individuals" are women, minorities and / or impoverished
Regardless of the rhetoric, conservatives will always be regressive on women's rights, minority rights, and human rights in general.
Unless you're a wealthy white male (as in Wealthy; rich doesn't cut it), voting republican is against your best interests.
Hell, even if you are wealthy, it's not in your interest. Long term, they are just going to create an environment that is going to be hostile to them just existing. Both the actual environment and society.
The future doesn't exist when you only think 1Q at a time
Precisely.
This is what baffles me about today. Strip our rights, steal our labor, and slap all that wealth within your fortress. Nothing is left to make society work after, so whats the goal? I won't go to work if working gets me nothing. The snake has found its tail.
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“I do not want to see abortion put in our constitution,” said Rep. Brad Hudson, a Missouri Republican. “I believe the right to life is a fundamental right that all human beings have and certainly should not be taken away because of a vote by a simple majority.”
All of them said that each states' citizens should determine its legality. Could it be that they are fucking liars?
Asking is a waste of breath
The party of “We-Can’t-Get-What-We-Want-So-We’ll-Change-The -Rules!” at work.
Nothing fascists hate more than a democratic process they haven't rigged in their favor.
They get their way, they'll start back dating who voted for what and punishing the people who they feel voted wrong accordingly. Petty, insecure little fuckers that they are.
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republicans are concerned about two freedoms: the freedom to do what they want, and the freedom to force you to do what they want.
They realize if it goes to the polls, they will probably bring the opposition out.
Back in 1967 Democrats were pushing for safe abortions because women were dying from "back alley" abortions. Leap-frogging ahead, California governor Regan signed into law a very permissive abortion bill. He even toyed with requiring pregnant welfare women get abortions in order to get assistance money. A few years later polling told them that flipping to the other side of the issue could be made a vote winner so all Republicans suddenly became fetus lovers.
Yep
As long as there're conservatives on the ballot there's abortion on the ballot.
It must be nice to be a Republican voter. You never have to care about material conditions or the people around you. Just awful ass people. Other voters aren't looking to make life worse for people.
This is really true. Conservatives vote to benefit themselves only. Lower taxes for me. Don't let other people do things I don't agree with. If I can't have it, nobody can.
It's such a selfish way to vote and govern.
it boggles my mind how anyone with a half a brain and any emotion can check that R box without dying a little inside.
ignorance is bliss, i spose?
Jokes on you, they are already dead inside.
MAGAs are rebelling against the notion that they are not a privileged group. They feel like it's the libs (and the 'fakenews') fault that they aren't succeeding.
If those pesky libs didn't try to treat everyone the same (even the blacks and the LGBTs) they would still feel like they are the special important group like they did in the good old days.
They feel attacked at the mere notion they might not be inherently better than disadvantaged groups. Ultimately, they are hiding from the uncomfortable truth that they are just as shitty as everyone else. They're not special. But Trump makes them feel special.
Beyond that, I think most of them genuinely believe that A) things were better in the past...even though it's some because concept of the past, B) that when things were "better" for them, they were better for everyone, and C) if that means reverting in ways like rolling back racial equality, women's rights, religious tolerance, diversity, marijuana reform, and LGBT progress...well, so be it.
To them, things were better back before all that happened, and they're so convinced not only that it was better for them but for everyone, that they're basically saying, "Shut up blacks, women, gays and lesbians, and everyone who isn't a straight white Christian male. You don't know what's best for you. Things were better for us back then so they were better for you too...so we're going to do everything in our power to revert back to that time."
Honestly their warped thinking in this regard is disturbingly similar to the bullshit they've pushed schools to teach children about slavery in the South. Basically, "The slaves had no skills and through slavery they could learn some skills, so it was actually a benefit to them."
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i don't understand why they care so much about this
It is a (dying) polarizing issue in order to try to maximize as many of the Christian demographic votes as much as possible. After this it is just the LGBQT+ issues and that'll probably be a dead issue in a decade. It isn't their only demographic or their only hot issues but right now the numbers are pretty split. If they lose more of the Christian demographic the numbers will probably start earning them a disadvantage.
You'll know they're very scared when they start pushing to increase voter age because younger voters don't have enough life experience to make wise decisions or some other trash. To have any chance of success they'll have to somehow get moderates behind them with something unpopular with youth, so maybe like a war with Iran (I'm not saying it would be unpopular with young voters but they may not want yet another generation off to war) or something.
They've already been trying to bring "raise the voting age" into discussions.
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It ain't the bible. Abortion is OK in the bible.
Rule and control.
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I don’t approve of the conservative lifestyle. Very non-trad.
All laws that impact our rights should be up for a vote. Then after X number of years they should be back on the ballot to see if the public opinion has changed
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Remember, they see family values as their ability to conform others against their will to the household family model.
A conservative utopia is a single family home in which no escape lays for the children and mother and they are completely at the command, mercy, and whim of the authority of the household head.
Policy which disempowers abusers ability to extort compliance from others will always attract the ire of the right in the west. It is geopolitical realism in the household, there are no sovereign states besides the world leaders, only pieces which the leaders may trade and cajole at their leisure, and any attempt to uproot this "reality" is idealism and should be treated as idiocy, then persecuted if the gaslighting fails.
I like how you write, PhlubbaDubba.
Mama always said I had the soul of a poet, she was less than thrilled when my dad convinced me to go to engineering school lol
Does anyone remember the phrase 'Compassionate Conservatism' from the 90s?
That sure, uh, worked out well...
Bush and McCain really fought hard for it but the cognitive dissonance of islamophobic state endorsed propaganda and presidential candidates and leaders insisting Muslims are friendos proved too much for the Republican brain to handle.
Especially when Obama became president and put yet another nail in the coffin of them being able to say the N-Word without being treated like trash by everyone else for it.
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Do the Democrats even try to do a fraction of a percentage of litigation that the anti-voting rights Nazis do?
Lawyers are expensive and big Corp funds these terrorists to get tax breaks and friendly legislation.
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Not a surprise to a single American.
Abortion needs to be on the ballot in every state jfc
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