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[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 1 day ago

ah yes, the "don't be evil" corporation

[–] bluegreenpurplepink@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Doesn't this situation call for companies that could decide to block AI and double down on the human workforce? And those companies who do would be rewarded by all of us who hate AI and they would succeed by the supposed rules of the free market. Why isn't any company stepping up to compete against AI run companies? Wouldn't it be an amazing opening to compete and win?

Also, it wasn't talked about in the article, but one of the big arguments for why this AI thing has to be so inevitable is that we have to compete with China. They think we have to start this race with China, to try to win AI.

First of all, I think we might have already lost the race. Second of all, even if you don't agree that we've already lost. What if by embracing AI, China and all the other countries are destroyed by it? What if it just makes so many mistakes and errors that it just destroys their economy and destroys their country?And then the countries who were cautious about AI would be fine.We'd be the winners, not having succumbed to this ridiculous urge to use everything AI.

People always forget that anything and everything hooked up to a network is hackable. I'll say it again. Everything hooked up to a network is hackable.Including this shitty AI stuff. If we put everything into AI, even if we win, another country could just hack us. And screw everything up. The bottom line is.There is a space to say no to AI and succeed.

I know I'm not that super articulate about this, but I would love to see somebody else write about these ideas with more finesse than I have, so that we could all start talking about this more and stop letting this inevitable push to AI just keep going without pushing back.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to China Winning the AI Race

Not to mention, we sold China their surveillance tech which has given them the upper hand in this "race" we never agreed to participate in.

The data collecting capabilities of an authoritarian surveillance state (which we created and sold to China) are allegedly what we will have to accept because it's necessary to win this imaginary race with China...

I know not everybody is a "crazy conspiracy theorist," but does that logic not seem the ~~slightest bit~~ obviously fucked? How much of a "conspiracy" is it really to just acknowledge there are wealthy people in positions of power who don't have our best interest in mind when they talk about making America great and beating China?

US tech companies enabled the surveillance and detention of hundreds of thousands in China

US government allowed and even helped US firms sell tech used for surveillance in China

Detailed findings from AP investigation into how US tech firms enabled China’s digital police state

American tech companies to a large degree designed and built China’s surveillance state, playing a far greater role in enabling human rights abuses than previously known, an Associated Press investigation found. They sold billions of dollars of technology to the Chinese police, government and surveillance companies, despite repeated warnings from the U.S. Congress and in the media that such tools were being used to quash dissent, persecute religious sects and target minorities.

[–] xxam925@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hope he keeps that same energy when the mob walks him up the scaffold.

[–] DNS@discuss.online 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I'd love to see it, but let's all be realistic. Americans didn't band together to make cost of living affordable nor took it to the streets to demand universal healthcare. You REALLY think Americans will suddenly band together about AI affecting their way of life?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Americans didn’t band together to make cost of living affordable nor took it to the streets to demand universal healthcare.

They literally did and do, though. We have mass marches and protests that fill up city streets on a regular basis in the US. We had Occupy. We had the BLM marches. We had Women's Marches. We've had Palestinian Solidarity Marches. Israeli Solidarity Marches. No Kings Days. Earth Day. National Boycotts. Rallies to Restore Sanity. We had a mob of people ransack the US Capital five years ago, ffs.

The problem with Americans is not that they don't band together and take to the streets. The problem is in the leadership, which has alternately cashed out, been actively corrupted or mysteriously murdered.

Organizations that aren't infiltrated and subverted from within are pincered between malicious DAs and nefarious NGOs - as was the case with Ohio's ACORN in 2009 and the Harvard anti-Genocide activists organized during the tenure of Claudine Gay - and rubbed out of existence.

There's a naive assumption that politics in the US simply isn't happening. The bitter truth is that we're in the middle of a Cold Civil War, the casualties are mounting, and most people simply can't acknowledge it because the reality is too horrifying to accept.

You REALLY think Americans will suddenly band together about AI affecting their way of life?

I think they already are. And I think the Silicon Valley influenced state and national governments, combined with their lobbyists and media allies, are working to identify, subvert, and expunge anyone with meaningful purchase in civil society.

Group leads march in Downtown Memphis to protest Elon Musk's xAI

Organizations like this exist today. Idk if they'll exist tomorrow.

[–] DNS@discuss.online 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The problem with protesting in modern times since social media dominated the majority of our lives is how most show up on a weekend, take photos and a hashtag, then brunch.

It's all performative because if people were really serious, then there would constant protesting like how it was done during the Civil Rights era. The closest to a continuous protest we had was Occupy Wallstreet, yet so many fell for the media's propaganda of it being a bunch of jobless hippies. Same rhetoric that could had described the Civil Rights protestors.

Don't blame leadership when it is truly the people who are goddamn selfish and stupid. The final culmination of what Republicans and the owner class wanted out of a populace.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Black Lives Matter had daily protests for months. And in a couple instances involved taking over parts of cities and burning down police stations. And, for at least a little while, it resulted in positive changes to police policy.

I don't know why people just seem to memory-hole BLM when complaining about the toothlessness of American protesters. Occupy was child's play compared to BLM.

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[–] minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Americans couldn't even band together to stop the re-election of... Coup attempt... Etc etc etc it's kinda too long and exhausting to state even 1/4 of it at this point. But everyone knows about it.

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[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

He's a massive piece of shit.

[–] Alvaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

Google CEO fuckwad confirmed

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago

The things to remember is that these CEOs have made a whole living out of not knowing what they are doing, but being insufferably confident in whatever vomit of words they spew, whether they know anything or not, while ultimately just saying the most milquetoast blatantly obvious stuff and pretending it's very insightful. All this while they believe and the money proves that are the most important people in the world.

So naturally it's easy for them to believe LLM can take all the jobs, because it can easily take theirs.

[–] Sektor@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

Eat dick, robber baron.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (7 children)

If AI is going to take our jobs then UBI is absolutely necessary.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Elon Musk was defending UBI recently.

This version of UBI is a capitalist trap. Make everything a subscription, make everything rented not owned, replace most jobs with AI, give you a monthly allowance. Now you need to feed all that money into their products and services, and they can make sure you'll never have enough to escape. Its feudalism with extra steps and some computers.

[–] xxam925@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How about we remove the b?

Universal income. No accumulation of Capital. No robber barons. Everybody gets the same and you use it as you see fit.

Just… live your life.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

When the permanent unemployment rate starts to hit 25% or more, we are either going to have to have UBI, or reduce the population by the unemployment rate.

Which solution will be endorsed by which party, and how will they implement that solution?

Be reminded that Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller has already told Trump that he wants to reduce the population of America from 350 million to 100 million. That's about a 70% reduction. What do you suppose his "solution" would be?

[–] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Vietnam and McNamara conveniently reduced the unemployment rate. Trump just bombed Nigeria and has eyes on Venezuela. History may not repeat but it often rhymes.

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[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't care how racist/fascist/terrible you are, how the fuck would the country run with so few people? Like, the population would have to be consolidated to one general area right?

Like say for instance it happens, there are now only 100 million Americans living in the US; where are they all living? Northeast close to New York and DC? Closer to California and Nevada? Or are they all just gonna be spread out across the country that everything is going to be small-town America again?

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

Only a few thousand will live privileged lives. The rest will serve them. If they don't like it, they can arrange to be unemployed, but since unemployment is now criminalized, with the punishment being the death penalty, it is unlikely there will be much conflict.

[–] tym@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

That, or an internment infrastructure currently being used to deport immigrants that can be easily refactored to house chain-gang denaturalized citizens who criticized the upper class... which will come true first?!

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[–] markz@suppo.fi 171 points 2 days ago

I'm sure he's suffering through it.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 153 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And just how are you suffering, Mr. Billionaire?

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[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 14 points 1 day ago

Google is the one who put society through the woodchipper.

[–] JiveTurkey@lemmy.world 123 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

I think we can all agree, we should put people like this in the wood chipper and unboubtedly the world would be a better place.

[–] Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 45 points 2 days ago (5 children)

The billionaires want to build industrial wood-chippers to get rid of us en masse, meanwhile individual sized wood-chippers already exist.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 69 points 2 days ago (5 children)

That’s actually a pretty good idea. What if we started putting tech billionaires through the wood chipper? It could be like the American guillotine

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 81 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

What do you call a private jet full of billionaires crashing into a mountain?

A good start.

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They’d never agree to share the jet.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We'll just tell them they're reopening Epstein Island and this is the first flight.

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[–] n0respect@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

"No job is safe .... but I'll still be a billionaire"

[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is he going to suffer in any way?

Of course not, he's rich enough that they won't spend his token instantly.

[–] C1pher@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

He is going to suffer, what a bitch, investing all those money into a circle jerk scheme. I hope when that AI crashes, so will the stocks.

[–] The_Blinding_Eyes@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This type of stuff is exactly why I am moving all of my accounts away from Google. Google is now as bad or evenworse than Microsoft.

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[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

For me, this is the most depressing part.

So many of the technically competent individuals I know are just gleefully throwing their competency and credibility into this ‘AI’ grift chipper with utter abandon.

I can’t see a viable path through it, and whenever they’ve articulated what they see on the other side, it is beyond repugnant and I truly don’t see any benefit in existing in that world if it ever manifests.

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[–] shapeofthings@piefed.ca 8 points 1 day ago

By we will.. he means everyone else suffers while he profits.

[–] Finalsolo963@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If AI were cost effective and in demand, he'd be right, but it's not and it's not. There's no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow because the moment they start having to charge what this stuff actually costs to run it'll be obvious that it's cheaper to just pay a person to do people things.

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[–] etchinghillside@reddthat.com 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Where is Alphabet at on creating robot infantry? Not sure if ads are going to save them from societal woodchipering:

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 days ago

Google sold Boston Dynamics to Hyundai a few years ago. I wonder if they regret it...

[–] Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That ascribes far too much agency to AI. It's people like him who are putting society through the woodchipper.

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[–] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 19 points 2 days ago

Not if the people trying to force it on us go in to the chipper first.

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