No Stupid Questions

Follow the money.

See all those billionaire tech cunts propping him up? Sanction them. Ban their software. Block their psy-op social media websites.

So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something?

Frankly? Nothing. Nothing happened after Iraq, nothing happened after Afghanistan, nothing will happen after Venezuela.

Do to the US what the US has been doing for 150 years.

Invest heavily in local anti government revolutionist organizations and support their efforts covertly. You know, like Russia and China have already been doing for 30 years.

Russia invaded Ukraine and was immediately under many sanctions. I don't get why the world doesn't treat the US the same way. Aside from greed.

The world has to hold us accountable. Sanction us. Make it hurt.

Americans aren’t the only ones being “cowards” in all of this, as Europeans online love to throw around these days.

I hate to say it, but there's no fast answer to that question.

The best answer seems to be what most smart countries are doing right now... slowly unwinding their dependency on the US and finding alternative suppliers for everything critical they need so they can get the leverage they need to criticize and resist. This has the added benefit of isolating the US economically, reducing its currency's ability to influence things.

Over time the US will grow less and less able to throw its weight around, and eventually a tipping point will be reached where picking an ideological fight with the US won't have a major impact. That's when the US will be stopped.

The EU, China and other major trading partners (many of which are EU afilliates like Japan) could cripple the US overnight by dumping american bonds and finding new trading partners. This is already happening though in a very slow way designed to minimize damage.

The world should at the very least be imposing economic sanctions on the US.

Invading NATO territory and triggering Article 5.

For starters, not relying on US payment processors.

WW3 fought in mainland USA…

The usa has only ever benefitted from war… once they taste it at home and have cities to rebuild, they may drop the deadly combination of chicken hawk and apathy that seems to be their take on war

My best guess is mass riots/civil war. The main reasons why it's not happening yet are because Trump still has a good number of supporters and because Americans are - rightfully - afraid of their police (or soldiers) killing them.

Trump is steadily losing his supporters every week, and the number of people at risk of dying due to lack of food or healthcare is increasing. If your life is at serious risk anyway, might as well get a shot at a revolution. And the more people willing to do it with you, the better the chances.

However, I'm not sure how realistic this scenario is. I'm concerned that a change of government for a slightly better one may be enough for most Americans to calm down. After all, they're very much used to being abused by their elites, whether they realize it or not.

If we're talking war - Annexation of Greenland would probably do it.

Once you piss off enough people with allies then historically a lot of contractual responsibilities kick in... But the new playbook like what we've we've seen in Israel is "as long as nobody in government says the word 'genocide' we don't have to honor our previously signed responsibility to step in so even that's dodgy.

Once the US is seen as enough threat to the sovereignty of other nations who are just doing their own thing I think the response will kick in. Right now other countries are likely going to target the US's pocketbook by decreeing various economic and banking sanctions and ratchet up the internal pressures. The US correcting it's own listing ship through internal citizen lead processes is the good outcome and letting it basically fall into civil war is a more acceptable outcome than outside intervention from an international law perspective.

The US has a lot of Hard power : economic development and money, millitary might, strategic bases the world over, an uncomfortable amount of the world's nukes and a landmass that is legit difficult to wage a war on. The bar to actually interfering directly through boots on the ground intelligence related action is really high.

Dude Not the first time US has done this.

It's nowhere close to that level. The GOP/ MAGA has been eroding international trust in America for a while now, but realistically, everybody else is on the outside looking in, and even if America removed all women's rights, including the right to vote, or annexed Panama, all that would happen would be strongly worded protests and further political isolation of America from the rest of the world.

Nobody wants to fight a war against the USA, and barring something cataclysmic like an invasion of Mexico, nobody wants to sanction the largest market in the world.

TL;DR: America would have to become much poorer or much weaker before anybody does anything.

SANCTION THE FUCK OUT OF US

Hit us where it hurts. Our wallets. Fuck our economy up (even more).

And if that doesn't work, start forming military alliances and building up your armies as a show of force.

I am here in America and I can tell you there are A LOT of dumbfucks here that can only learn through pain. So make it hurt. America needs to learn a lesson.

At this point, every single country should be embargoing the US. It's well past that point that we cut them off from the world stage entirely economically.

USAmericans have shown a complete inability to rise up against their government. This is not surprising given our crushing economic system, the fragility of our lives, and cultural landscape of the USA. At this point I believe Resistance has to come from outside the USA. This is unlikely due to the USA's extensive nuclear arsenal.

I foresee the USA going the way of China and Russia, steadily oppressing its people, enriching its oligarchs, and occasionally creating problems for the world. Greenland may very well be the USA's version of China constantly threatening to seize Taiwan.

STOP REPRODUCING

There's a reason that leadershit is absolutely pissing their pants about declining fertility rates.

The funny thing is that they'll try to shame us, bribe us, or even force us (e.g. via attacks on abortion rights and contraceptives). But they refuse to meaningfully address the underlying reasons why people are increasingly saying "no thanks, I'm good" regarding becoming parents.

World war 3

The US has directly captured or supported the overthrow of multiple heads of state. Nobody has ever done anything and they won't now.

Too many Americans are actually supportive of this so there won't be any major domestic repercussions. Maybe some hearings in Congress.

America is not going to fix itself. The corruption is built in. For the last 50 years (roughly), the system has been changed to make the people dumb and complacent; to make the President a puppet king who answers to the wealthy.

Mother Nature: cracks knuckles "lemme in, coach"

No country should be dealing with the US right now. Cut this country the fuck off.

Do not allow Preznit Fuckwit or any of his cronies in your country. Threaten with imprisonment since he is a disgusting multi-time felon who is also a pedo and a rapist. No decent country should let that type of thing step foot there.

Sanction. Do not buy American ANYTHING. The fucking morons who voted for this shit need to hurt. Im talking destitute. They need to have zero choice but to point their dirty finger at the source of their misery and accept that he is a con-- a fucking con!!-- and that their own stupidity is why they are not scraping by.

It's a slow, ongoing process. The more the US tries to use force to make countries fall in line, the more people look to alternatives. Countries that used to be unaligned are looking at China and countries that used to be aligned with the US are looking at playing the field.

Realistically, global trade drying up. Canada, Mexico, the EU, and others just refusing to do business with the US. Or possibly, making deals on a state-by-state basis, such as exchanging with California and New York, while ignoring Texas. By doing something like that, foreign nations can help prop up anti-conservative states, while bleeding conservatives lily white.

Mutual military agreements, such as retooling NATO to exclude the US and incorporating Canada, Mexico, and Taiwan might happen as well. The US has ceded their mutual exchange with Taiwan, other powers like India would like to have those chips. Maybe the EU outright allying with Ukraine, to remove Russia from play and to secure Ukraine's grain, oil, and expertise on warfare.

...In short, it would be a couple decades of work to stop the Turdpublican agenda through diplomatic pressure. Probably around a decade if WW3 or a 2nd American Civil War happens.

Nothing, since they are all either scared, or part of it.

World leaders should:

• Sell all US treasuries and buy gold instead
• Stop using the Dollar to trade with countries not involving America, use Euro, Yuan or gold instead
• Kick America from the SWIFT system or use an alternative system like China's CIPS
• Stop using US tech like Google, Mera reddit, X etc
• Stop buying weapons from America
• Sanction America, just like they sanctioned Russia.

China and Russia are already doing most of these. So they're not afraid to raise their voice against America.

Japan and UK (both struggling economies) hold the highest amount of US debt. Third is China which is steadily selling.

Maduro and Trump are friends

Maduro gets to escape his country and save face instead of being assassinated or executed.

Trump gets to manufacture a conflict so he can start martial law and become a dictator, and to distract from us learning he came inside little girls.

Nobody can outright militarily like, pull off assasinating the entire executive branch, which is basically what you'd need at this point, to actually stop this... bare minimum.

But what you can do is hasten our ongoing societal collapse untill we actually get to something like a Syria civil war scenario.

And how do you do that?

Well, you take advantage of our dogshit cybersecurity we have around lots of government systems and critical infrastrucure, which has surely been made much more secure with the recent drive to install highly exploitable LLMs everywhere they will fit... oh and I'm sure the experts at DOGE didn't leave any gaping exposed holes in anything...

And so anyway, you just turn off as much electricty and power and communications (yes that means the internet) as you possibly can, in a way that will keep them down for as long as possible and make it as difficult as possible to repair.

At that point, probably a good portion of the US collapses into complete fucking chaos within a week.

That chaos probably necessitates a reconfiguration of our global and domestic military deployments, and it fucks up our military logistics by way of basically destroying the economy.

Have that kind of a scenario play out?

Well, a whole lot of other major militaries are going to have a bit more of a free hand to do as they please, as we would be in utter disarray.

You don't even need to nuke us, not even high altitude EMP us, that's overkill, not necessary.

You just need to conduct the most extensive and most unauthorized cybersec pentest in the history of the planet, and we'll be dealing with bug reports for the rest of the century.

Regimes like this only respond to incredible violence. They believe rules and laws and norms that don’t serve them don’t apply to them. All the systems designed to resist this bullshit are ignored completely because they just opt out of society’s rules while rewriting them on the fly to serve exclusively them.

This ends a couple of different ways. One is they encounter a bigger bully. They are all loyalists that cannot strategize, cooperate, and execute a plan. It’s yes men all the way down. So if someone powerful enough takes a swing, they don’t have the ability to respond. In this case, Canada invading the US with resources supplied by other nations concerned they are next makes the most sense. This administration wouldn’t be able to respond with anything other than tantrums online and on TV.

The other way this ends is letting them do whatever they want. They need an enemy to survive. Eventually they run out of enemies and have to invent new ones. We are already at that point. They divide the population up into good guys and bad guys and eliminate the bad guys, then they do it again, getting smaller and smaller each time until there’s no longer enough people left to sustain them. This is not the way we want as most of the US would have to die off for it to work but it is sort of the default mode of extinction for fascism.

The only method that works with fascists and results in the fewest casualties is incredible overwhelming violence. It’s been done before and worked because it was the best option, even if it’s still a terrible one.

But here’s where the propaganda machine protects the fascists. People are already ready for the incredible violence. The country is on a cliff edge right now. But we are so divided and dependent on TV and social media that we are told to attack eachother instead of the fascists. Most of us don’t want to do that.

So we wait for extinction.

It might have already happened...

Capturing a foreign leader you're not at war with like this is a huge fucking deal, but it hasn't even been 24 hrs yet, we can't act like there won't be a response.

Not anything overt, but our election system is sloppy as fuck.

Why wouldn't foreign governments start using all the loopholes to pay (relatively) nothing to limit his powers in midterms and get rid of him in the presidential? A couple million thru a PAC isn't even really breaking any laws, and compared to the cost of the chaos from trump, it's a no brainer decision.

It's why turnout for primaries is so important. We have to ensure that the people who make it to the general are going to be good in office.

To stop this immediate idiocy, Trump has to have a massive stroke, just enough to debilitate him but necessarily replace him. MAGA isn't going to blindly follow Vance cause he's got zero MAGA charisma. The GOP controlled Congress is going to be stuck between implementing 25A or not, cause if they remove Trump they're committing political suicide.

So the best bet is for a lame duck government as a whole.

Time. A regime as dysfunctional as this can't go on indefinitely... Like, it is physically impossible for it to think far enough ahead for it to be resilient enough to last. Unfortunately, a lot of good people will suffer before then.

If other counties boycotted instead of caving into demands, that would have an influence.

WW3, that's literally it. The rest of the world has done jack and shit about Russia and Ukraine beside sanctions and providing resources. People like to meme about Canada being badass, but they have such a small military presence that NATO has been upset with them for about 5 years for not doing their part. Outside of that there is no one in North or South America that can stand up to the US.

Africa isn't doing much militarily. No one close to China is going to drop their guard to go after the US (Australia included since they have China breathing down their necks as well). That leaves Europe and the Middle East. The Middle East probably isn't going to do much and if the US takes Venezuela's oil then they need the Middle East even less.

Europe will probably spin wheels and denounce actions, but the important members of Europe are either 1.) part of NATO 2.) not prepared to defend themselves from Russia if they leave NATO. They can't meaningfully sanction a military ally without breaking that alliance and once that alliance is officially broken NATO doesn't have the US backing against Russia and also faces even more risk of Greenland or Canada being attacked by the US.

Best bet for stopping the US is Brazil, Russia, or China saying they will intervene for Venezuela, the EU and other NATO nations saying they won't support the US, and then BRICS all jump in to fight the US. Maybe this weakens the US and BRICS effectively passes NATO but now Europe is sitting in the crosshairs for Russia.

Honestly, trying to go against the US is more likely to cause the Republican leaders to dislike European or international opinions even more. Republican's have been complaining at home for 20 years about freeloading foreigners who spend their military budgets on lefty progressive ideas, foreigners complaining about US domestic policies, and all the while the US polices the world for them. It's this sort of foreign attitude mixed with Russian and Chinese propaganda which has caused the US to drift further and further away from a positive relationship with Europe. Trying to go against the US is more likely to cause a Nazi & Stalin dividing up Poland situation rather than hurting the US.

Unfortunately, nothing will happen, as nobody has done anything despite the Epstein files, the deportations and externalized concentration camps, the Capitol, the international bullying and racket, etc. Trump serves the interest of the filthy rich, is backed by tech nazies and other kind of moguls (and p3d0s) and commands the most powerful army in the world. His attack on Venezuela is even approved by libs. And even if Trump himself was somehow unalived, the entire system that allowed his rise to power would still be there. The ~~nazies~~ trumpists and parasitic dominant classes would still be there.

Better just declare the American hegemony dead and disengage from any form of partnership with the USA. At least, Trump has the merit of exposing the USA for what they truly are : an alienating, morally bankrupt nation and fascist empire.

complete worldwide boycott of american products. America is run by oligarchs who only care about money. They'd fold overnight.

It'll take the politicians in other countries being willing to say no to bribes from US corporations.

Because the actions that need to be taken involve sanctions on the US and seizing the assets (including patents and trademarks) of US-owned corporations. And refusing to act as a tax haven for them anymore.

But that would benefit everyone while lessening the ability of politicians to enrich themselves with money from oil stolen from Venezuela and money exploited from US citizens. Let's see how noble your politicians are. We know ours are shit.

Or maybe the AI bubble will pop and remove the incentive to kowtow to the interests of American corporations.

Internal collapse and/or a foreign coalition. If the US goes after Greenland I'd hope the rest of NATO stuck to their treaty obligations and fought back.