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the remaining differences are mostly about aesthetics and not about the use of violence to maintain hegemony

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[–] rufuyun@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In my opinion liberals who agree fundamentally with deposing Maduro but claim to deeply disagree about the methods are not even temporarily taking the side of anti-imperialism, they're imperialists who want procedure, "by the book" imperialists.

At the risk of getting a bit speculative or subjective, I think they are basically bullshitting. They don't disagree with it enough to do shit, even participate in safe legal dissidence. Seriously, someone who would be okay with this if it wasn't "illegal", because the elite of the metropole agreed on devouring a given peripheral country, seems like one of the enemy. As opposed to the antizionist movement where liberal peaceniks can be good allies.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 day ago

100% agreed. Ruling classes make laws to suit their interests, and law is opposed to morality and compassion in a lot of cases. US slavery was legal. South African and Israeli apartheid were/are legal. US torture camps like Guantanamo bay and Abu Ghraib are legal.

Even plea-bargaining in the US is a form of medieval-type coercion (confess your sins and we'll reduce your punishment), and is a pillar of their justice system.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 101 points 2 days ago (2 children)

In the wise words of Eyeballslicer:

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Don't forget hates every genocide except for the current one

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 days ago

Cares about every genocide except for the real ones

[–] Sandouq_Dyatha@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Naaaasaah, many liberals don't give a shit about past genocides, even denying it

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They only give a shit about the One True Genocide.

[–] Sandouq_Dyatha@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

The white genocide in south africa

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[–] Oppopity@lemmy.ml 43 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I've seen a lot of liberals saying things along the lines of "but if we don't follow the rules based order it will set a bad precedent! What's stopping China now deciding to invade Taiwan on the justification that they don't like their government?"

Edit: oh fuck I didn't scroll down into the comments there's already one here

[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The situation is quite different, China has every right to do so. Because every country has the right to conclude its civil war. Such a civil war is still ongoing between the PRC (Peoples Republic of China - "China") and RoC(Republic of China - "Taiwan"), both claim to be the legitimate government of the entity China. The reason the PLA did not finish the job in the 40s was US intervention and the start of the korean war.

This is a completely internal matter for China according to international law.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 92 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Maduro is the democratically elected president of Venezuela. With 51% of the vote, compared to his opposition gaining 43%, the US Empire has tried to rely on manufacturing false evidence against Maduro so their compradors can gain power. Venezuelans didn't believe it, though, so the empire was forced to engage by force, bombing hospitals and murdering dozens of civilians in the process.

These lies undermining Maduro are the same claiming there is no genocide in Palestine, that socialism is scary and evil, that Trump won 2020, that Saddam had WMD. These lies are undermining a country that nationalized their oil industry, requiring foreign capital to only have a minority stake. For this sin of keeping Venezuelan wealth for Venezuelans, the empire kidnapped him.

Venezuelans are not stupid, though, nor are they willing to be colonized. The millitary and working classes both are aligned with the Bolivarian revolution. When the empire tries to establish a comprador regime, they will fail.

Viva Venezuela! Viva Maduro!

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 68 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Liberals will go on and on about how any defense of the Venezuelan government marks you out as a "Tankie", then clap like seals as US tanks and helicopters obliterate homes, massacre civilians, and snatch people up as political extortion.

These are the same tactics used time and again by ICE Agents within the US's own borders. They're the tactics used abroad, to quell dissidents in The Philippines and Haiti and Gaza and Yemen. These are the actions of a fascist government for the purposes of genocide of native peoples, seizure of lands, and generating capitalist profits.

Anyone who endorses it has picked a side. Just a shame they can't have these decisions carved into their foreheads for all the world to remember.

[–] Oppopity@lemmy.ml 40 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I got called a tankie because I said you shouldn't just invade other countries over on Reddit.

Like tankie never really meant anything before but now it's the opposite. Being against tanks makes you a tankie at this point.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 days ago

The western powers led by the US use tanks far more often also. The US never gets accused of being tankies, even tho it used tanks in almost every one of its wars, including the wars on Iraq, Panama, Grenada.

It also uses tanks domestically against the people (police in every city have tank-like vehicles). They also used tanks in the waco standoff also where they burned ~100 people alive.

Of course the US prefers bombing people from the sky, but that's not considered an atrocity by western chauvinists.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

I'm starting to think there are bots that run on just being contrary to whatever we write. For every comment I see now, there's one that goes against it in the most absurd way possible. Divide and conquer

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Like tankie never really meant anything before

I mean, its historically described Soviet policy in Eastern Europe and Chinese domestic policing (Khrushchev putting down the Hungarian fascist revolt with armored infantry and Deng sending tanks into Tienanmen Square).

Now it just means whatever the opposite of neoconservative policy is, updated daily.

Being against tanks makes you a tankie at this point.

Everyone knows that if you're against US tanks, you must be in favor of non-US tanks. You're either with US or you're with the Tankie-rists

[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 days ago

I mean, its historically described Soviet policy in Eastern Europe and Chinese domestic policing (Khrushchev putting down the Hungarian fascist revolt with armored infantry and Deng sending tanks into Tienanmen Square).

Only the first one.

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