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[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago

Someone has to pay the billionare's bills

[–] JustARegularNerd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 124 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Here’s the crux of the article for you.

In just two years, starting in 2022, residential electricity prices rose by 10%, while commercial prices increased by only 3%, and industrial electricity prices fell by 2%.

[–] morto@piefed.social 64 points 1 week ago

Even if you don't like or use ai, you're forced to pay for it

[–] aaa@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But why is it this way? Why wouldn’t they want to charge both groups more for a higher profit margin?

[–] Nikelui@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Wouldn't want to upset corporate overlords.

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Partly because doing so risks that they might decide to invest in their own production instead, and therefore not buy any electricity from you at all which would result in loss of demand, and a reduction in overall electricity cost.
Like how rising a bus ticket fare by 10% means you will lose some customers because they decide to walk instead, so your profit increase will be lower than that 10%. Raise it too much, and almost everyone walks, and you sell no tickets.

And it's a lot harder to build your own solar or wind farm if you are a person living in an apartment building.

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[–] Bookakke@lemmy.world 82 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The working class get the 'get fucked' tax on top of the costs. Companies get cheap power to make more money.

I'd like to see this graph with the EU power costs. I pay AVG € 0,27 per kWh now. Used to be € 0,20 before the attack on Ukraine began. That's a 35% increase.

[–] elbiter@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's what the maga working class voted for. That, and cruel deportations.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

You think fucking over the working class is MAGA specific? Fucking us over is 100% bipartisan.

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[–] msage@programming.dev 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

What? I pay around ninety cents! What is this shit.

My electric bill last month would have been $1,700 at that rate. We would just have to freeze to death.

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[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The AI data centers and crypto miners should be paying much higher rates than everyone else.

[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's not how capitalism works.

[–] lemming741@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Privatize the profits, socialize the costs

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[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 38 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Here in Germany we have balcony solar panels. They are just plugged into a socket - no electrical installation needed - and pay off quickly.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 points 1 week ago (6 children)

How does the outlet work putting electricty back into it? You sure it's not a special outlet?

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

You can plug anything back into your how power system so long as the reverse current is not more than the ratings of the wires & equipment that current runs through.

In the US, most residential outlets are rated for 15-20 Amps at 120 Volts. You'd need to find a solar panel that matches these ratings. There are what's called "AC solar panels" or just panels with micro inverters that transform the DC electricity from the panel to AC right on the panel itself. As long as the circuit you plug into is rated for it, you can plug as many panels like this into your home power system.

I'd have to check the National Electrical Code (NEC), but I believe that if you're planning on making those solar panels permanent, and since the hypothetical ones in this conversation have "plug and cord" connections, you'd need to hardwire those panels with wiring hidden behind drywall. If you truly plan to use those panels temporarily, such as seasonally, maybe you can make the argument that you don't need to do that.

It's all up to your Authority Having Jurisdiction (AHJ), which is usually your town's or city's Building or Electrical Department.

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No. It is just wires that transport energy. Old power meters will even run backwards.

For safety, these panels have some electronics that switch them off when it is not plugged in, or during power outages.

[–] SpaceMan9000@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Depends on the country iirc. But most European countries allow you to discharge 800 watt unless you install it on a separate breaker. Regular socket

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I was surprised when I read about it too, but it's true, they quite literally just plug them right into the normal plugs.

It works because there's a certain tolerance on the German breakers that allow for power to reverse. The balcony panels take advantage of this. However this also limits the possible output to whatever the tolerance is, otherwise it would overload and shut off or worse.

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[–] Lucelu2@lemmy.zip 32 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yes, I am Fucking Pissed at my energy bills for the last 6 months. Like WTH. It is like $500 a month vs what was $300 max. I told my husband... it is time to start investing in solar generators. We are getting screwed for some stupid tech boy.

[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I would love if this creates some kind of decentralized energy network. You know how you can sell your energy back to the grid when you have solar surplus? We should have the option of choosing the rate too. If they don’t want to pay our prices, they don’t need our electricity,

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This shit is a failure of local and state governments, and the people who elect them. Now that AI costs are hitting citizen pocket books, many municipalities are fighting back.

"All politics is local."

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In particular, its a failure of state utilities commissions, which have power over electric pricing.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Don't know about your jurisdiction, but we vote those people in and out around here. Well...

We used to have a quasi-private/public power company. County commissioners voted us out of that. (Still our fault.) We do still have such a water setup. For now.

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

come on Muricans, stop complaining and get a third job to pay for the slop machine until the bubble burst and the you have to pay for the bailout

stop complaining, remember "you are not there yet"

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago

I ran three jobs for a couple of years. I ended up high enough up in my current job that they'd take offence to a second job. And the market is shit. I just want to move to a nice quiet country where your neighbors aren't an actual liability with decent healthcare and work until I'm dead giving my kids a chance at living a happy life. Is that too much to ask?

[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

My city still owns the utilities and the council doubles as the utility board. They've been trying to privatize it, but it's very contentious. Rightly so.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

2024 and 2025 not included in their data.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How to pin someone else's comment?

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[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I suspect that it's always been the case that bigger customers are able to negotiate better prices. 1 car a year vs 1000 cars a year? 200 pounds of bread a year vs. 200 tons of bread?

[–] oakward@feddit.org 2 points 6 days ago

Also, isn't a steady state power consumption of a data centre easier to manage than homes flipping toasters on and off? I suppose that the inefficiency drives up the costs for home usage

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[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Civilian bills increase while corporate discounts abound? Ya'll need to fuck someone up with the 2A.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The idiots are convinced they'll "be one of them someday"

Cue the "Fry, you arent rich!" Scene. Its very very real.

I have a friend that literally blames all problems in America on "The Poors" (his words) and when I try to tell him he IS the poors and is nowhere near rich, he doesn't listen. Doesn't believe workers should own the means of production because "when he owns HIS business, he wants to keep his money HE earned"

Brainwashed idiocy.

He rents, has a 20 year old car, is a bartender, and shops at Walmart exclusively. Also loves Grok.

America is doomed.

[–] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago

Always loved that Futurama scene, for the way it's perfectly in line with Fry's character and his amazingly broken reasoning facilities, while also just directly pointing out the bitter hatred of self, as a class, this kind of thinking always entails.

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

God don’t I know it. Looking at 500 dollar a month electric bills and I’m possibly disconnecting my heat pump.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Where are you? That's what I pay a year, granted I live in a shoebox.

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[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

The lowest rate I can find here in Texas was triple what I was paying last year.

[–] dmtalon@infosec.pub 8 points 1 week ago

Indiana price increase in 2025 ~20% (I believe the new rates went into effect in November, and this does not include a base increase for having your house connected to the grid. I believe it was $10/mo increase making that % even larger.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago

ok damnit, how many more servers do i need to install.....

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

just sayin’ this is still so incredibly cheap… 8c/kwh… australian electricity prices are 24-43c/kwh (obv usd vs aud but the aussie $ isn’t that weak)

[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

In Canada, the only province that historically has a rate that high is Ontario, and that is because they use Nuclear power, which is more expensive to maintain, and also they have no protection laws for consumers. So residents of Ontario pay what the US companies are willing to pay for power.

The neighbouring province, Quebec, uses primarily Hydro Electric dams, and has protection laws that restrict pricing for hydro power for residents of Quebec to a reasonable margin above cost, regardless of what the US is willing to pay for the power.

When I lived in Ontario, the price was $24c/kwh, while Quebec was $8/kwh

Ontario has had new laws passed with the energy board and now it appears their price is down to $14c/kwh according to this site, but I'm willing to bet that is highly dependent on surge pricing. Getting straight answer on costs is difficult these days with all the tiered pricing.

Apparently Alberta is more expensive than Ontario now.. Must be all that "freedom" they have... Did they privatise electric in addition to everything else there? I'm not familiar with how their grid is powered.. Maybe its oil/coal based. Which would be unsurprising.

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[–] Bakkoda@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's almost that time of the year when NY electric rates get hiked up and then get "frozen" to avoid further rate hikes while you conveniently get locked into that higher rate.

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