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Fascism is a big word with a lot of weight to it.
The more you get into politics and the more you debate with people across the aisle, the more you realize you have to be careful what words you use, so as not to lose credibility.
That being said.......this is fascism. Period.
It's happening. It's happening now. It's happening here. It's not debatable anymore.
Well, the US has arguably always been fascist. Essentially fascism is copratist control of the economy and a merger of corporations and state. Of course corporations as entities have evolved after the US's conception, but we've never been a democracy of the people, with only wealthy white business owners calling the shots.
We stole the land with genocide and apartheid, then built it on the backs of slaves. The house the president lives in was even built by slaves. When we "abolished" slavery, we had to make sure that we had a way out through incarceration. Guess which nation incarcerates more citizens than any other nation?
Not only that, but the US was a major inspiration for both Hitler and Mousolini.
And not to mention how we are constantly starting wars and instability around the world for our oligarch's own benefit. And that out biggest enterprise is weaponry and war technology.
The US is and has always been a fascist nation.
You guys are so screwed, I left Reddit cause of all the censorship and siding with the government.
I’ve had comment removed from this community for being incendiary, for saying Trump and ICE agents need to feel the force of the second amendment.
You guys are not even allowed to discuss anything further than a useless peaceful protest, or you get banned or shut down and silenced.
Even regular folk who mod on Lemmy are tripping over themselves to stop us from actually doing anything
.world communities are particularly squeamish about not toeing the corpo line.
No sub, on Lemmy or Reddit, is safe from power tripping mods. I'm currently dealing with a Lemmy mod on a few other Lemmy subs that's abusing his mod powers.
The bottom line is the other mods either need to step in and reign the bad mods in or remove them, or their sub dies. Seen it on Reddit plenty of times. But I've also seen Reddit mods that successfully removed their bad actors and then everything was fine. So it could go either way.
Oh well now that YOU say it, king of the obvious, now we are allowed.
You know, Start by saying you’re fucking sorry for being an idiot. Because that’s what you’re actually reporting.
I am so upset by articles like this, but the saddest part is that they're needed. Months ago a professor who studies fascism fled the country due to rising fascism. There were articles about it. I sent them to family and friends in an attempt to warn them about what was coming. Some did listen, but there are so many people we will have to pick up along the way and "meet where they're at". I wish all articles like this were "I'm a huge idiot and was horribly wrong and will devote myself to fixing this now", but in reality that helps no one. I can keep sending out articles like this and since it's not "wow! I and by extension you were a dumb idiot" people may feel like maybe realizing it now is smart and can have their minds changed. I would appreciate a better note at the end, once the reader may be swayed, that was about what to do going forward and how to learn to listen, but it is what it is.
How can I upvote this comment more than once?
Yay, The Atlantic gave us permission!
I've lived my entire life in fear of being called uncivil.
Free at last, free at last.
Donald Trump is a complete scumbag.
Fascism brought to you by full blown dementia and criminal behavior. Wheeee!
The Atlantic is trash. Lib bullshit late to the party and faking it. These are the same people who enable fascism. Not to mention the zios...
Now it's fascism even for idiots to see
Thinking it a term best avoided for reasons of decorum is part of what got us here.
Yes, we know.
See, everyone knows that fascism is a bad thing. That has been taught in every school since the end of WW2.
It's just a shame that most people never bothered to look up what fascism actually is, and it can be something your guys do as well.
Our general discourse has been so deeply and deliberately poisoned that people don't pay attention to words broadly anymore. So many different foreign and domestic forces have worked so tirelessly to amplify the chaos and boost the worst takes on both sides of every social issue, that the general population of the US stopped paying attention. (The horrific 2024 exit-polling confirms this too.)
This is why people are latching onto character over policy, it's why Trump retains power despite not having any clue what he's doing and is just obviously being led around by his cabinet. It's why we all seem to care a lot more about what our favorite internet streamer has to say about a candidate than AP our Routers or the evening news, because the words have been said so much that people stopped paying attention.
This is not a new, modern ploy either. The KGB and CIA both have written how to destabilize nations using these tactics as far back as the 50's or earlier.
The sad and dangerous thing is that many are actually starting to come around to the idea that fascism is good. They have spent years denying that Trump is a fascist and are now fully embracing it.
So you literally ignored hitlers plot playing out until it was to late, and now it’s okay to call them hurtful name. Another banger from the Atlantic.
I feel like this debate over whether it's fascism or not misses a big point:
It's an oppressive nationalist state with practically unchecked presidential power. It is responsible for numerous war crimes. It instates hardline policies targeting everyday Americans. It puts people in detention camps. It is fueled by exceptionalism on all levels, from foreign policy to religion. And at the same time, it doesn't provide for its people, cutting all forms of social support.
It also erodes democratic institutions in an attempt to cement itself, so that other powers couldn't change course.
You can call it fascism. You can call it authoritarianism. What matters is that America is turned into an angry shithole hostile to both others and it's own people. Isn't that a reason good enough to stand strongly against it? Why do people wait for a "fascist" label, like it's some sort of red cloth, and would it change much if tomorrow Trump would plead allegiance to Hitler?
"I resisted calling it fascism until it was too late and people were dying at the hands of monsters."
Get fucked. It was fascism when it was George Floyd and it's fascism now. It's been a fascism white people were willing to ignore because it didn't impact them directly for fucking decades, if not a hundred years or more.
Great job joining us in reality.
[Fascism] has been overused to the point of meaninglessness, especially by left-leaning types who call you a fascist if you oppose abortion or affirmative action.
Yeah, this guy can fuck right off.
This is infuriating.
We’ve been calling it fascism for at least 10 years because that’s what it’s been.
We were trying to get you fucks to wake up and stop it before it was too late, and now that you’re finally willing to acknowledge it, it’s too fucking late.
Thanks for ignoring us and enabling it. You can fuck all the way off.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
Maybe he's been in opposition of using the term because he's fucking fascist-lite himself. Fascist with half the calories.
We need more community defense classes now more than ever. Seriously!
“Oh gee wiz, turns out he’s doing the dictator thing like he said he would”
It was fascism this time 12 months ago when Trump had women and people of colors plaques and images covered at national museums and at nasa.
When they banned words from research. Like: women. Female. Bias, transgender, equality. Privilege.
When they prosecuted women as murderers for having a safe first trimester termination of pregnancy.
When they started demanding a woman must die before any medical procedures would be performed that could harm a fetus, even if that fetus was dead or non viable.
When they removed black veterans stories from the VA websites and other government websites.
When they changed the dod to the department of war.
My gawd. This all started a year ago. It was fascism then.
It was clearly fascism when Project 2025 was leaked.
It wasn't leaked. The people who made it made a website and publicly posted it. They announced their fascist agenda and still people ignored it
It was fascism in 2016 when he promised to ban people from entering the US based on religion.
For another, the term has been overused to the point of meaninglessness, especially by left-leaning types
Jonathan Rauch is holding out on the one thing we want to see: the websites of these left-leaning types, because they're the ones whose voices we should be hearing and promoting.
LMAO they're calling people fascists for acting like a fascist 🤷 not sure how that makes it meaningless.
I’m glad you got there eventually. Keep listening closely to the people who told you this years ago, they are clearly more perceptive than you.
I’d like to take this opportunity to express the profoundly tragic failure of Democrats to mount any kind of meaningful opposition to this fascist project, that has been underway since at least the Reagan administration.
Also the fact that Donny got off for January 6th still blows my fucking mind.
So the United States, once the world’s exemplary liberal democracy, is now a hybrid state combining a fascist leader and a liberal Constitution; but no, it has not fallen to fascism. And it will not.
Well that’s alright then. I almost thought the Atlantic was becoming less useless for a second there
the United States, once the world’s exemplary liberal democracy
When?
I wonder which of the 3000 things over the past decade changed their minds.
