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What did Jesus have to say about immigrants?
What did Jesus have to say about taxes?
What did Jesus have to say about retaliation?
What did Jesus have to say about money and what should be done with it if you have it?
What did Jesus say you should do with everything you own?
Jesus was a Communist. Own nothing. Share everything.
They are modern-day pharisees.
Theocracies must die.
Amen
The "I'm not homophobic! You can do what you want but just dont force it on me or my kids" crowd, everybody.
Yeah, I mean some people are trying to bring back the pet rock, doesn't mean it's going to work.
Most people are tired of religion and all of its hypocritical rules and guidelines. Then you learn that a large portion of leaders in religions are pedophiles and abusers.
No real "OOOOOOOHHH SHINYYY" moment for people to want to join.
Just like Republicans... religion has outlived its usefulness and the only way to remain is to force your ideas on people....fucking assholes need to all go live in Oklahoma or Missouri together and create their perfect Utopia of ignorance, racism and hate.
I've always thought of jesusians as predatory because they target the most vulnerable people for their brainwashing.
And the head of their entire structure has never been religious and, in fact, matches their description of the anti-Christ.
They even carry the mark of the beast upon their heads.
they often get teary eyed like Jerry Falwell. when punched
"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." - Denis Diderot
How are they going to impose Christian values if they don't know what those are?
Hating gays and black people. They know them very well. Oh yeah and raping kids. They predator handshake with christians about that
I think the Bible I read had the pages where Jesus raped kids and slung racist slurs at minorities ripped out.
Clearly, based on their voting history, those values are to horde wealth and rape children.
I have rarely seen a nation further from "christian values" than the United States at this moment.
Start by imposing them on the Idiot in Chief!!
"the morality we can find in the Bible"
It's ok to own human beings as property: "As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you and from their families who are with you who have been born in your land; they may be your property. You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property."
Its ok to rape young girls (is God in the Epstein files?): "So now, kill all the boys, as well as every woman who has had relations with a man, but spare for yourselves every girl who has never had relations with a man."
It's ok to kill babies: Thus says the Lord of hosts: "I will punish the Amalekites for what they did in opposing the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and attack Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.”
When David had an affair and had the woman's husband killed, God killed his baby and had his wives publically raped: "Thus says the Lord: I will raise up trouble against you from within your own house, and I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. For you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel and in broad daylight.”
The non Harris voters here defiantly standing on their own in the corner pretending this is somehow equal to Harris being president are pathetic.
Let's be real, you had to be bad at your job to loose that race. It's pathetic we're making excuses for our "leaders" when they led us down this path for so long. Still would vote for her again though .
What excuses did I make for them? I'm calling out the people who didn't pull the fucking lever, or stayed at home because they were pissed they were going to get 30% of what they wanted instead of 0% of what they're getting.
To sit at home while you could prevent all this bullshit is tacit approval for what trump is doing. It's as simple as that.
Mmm yes I'm sure the fact she is a woman of colour had no influence whatsoever
The main thing is that you know better then the consultants the Democrats hired who said it would be okay. Does that make their leadership sound any more capable?
Harris is a neoliberal so not nearly as progressive as I would like but on election day I still voted for her.
She was orders of magnitude the less awful candidate.
Yeah agreed I wanted Warren. But like, anyone trying to semantic argue staying home, or saying they're proud they didn't vote this time are worse than trump supporters.
This guy is an Atheist, running a scam, as are MOST religious leaders. They absolutely do not believe in God, or any kind of an afterlife, because if they did, they would NEVER support the obviously heinous behavior of MAGA. They would be too defensive of their immortal soul. The fact that they are jumping in with full support of MAGA's obviously, cartoonishly evil agenda, proves who they really are.
Religion is a business, and should be treated like one. There is nothing in the Constitution that gives churches some special benefit. In fact, it literally says that the government should not be supporting any religion. So why does the government support religion by making it tax exempt?
EVERY church should be investigated, and most should be abolished as illegal tax avoidance scams. The rest should be heavily taxed, with the tax revenue earmarked for the public good, not military or law enforcement in any way. It should ALL go into the fund for Social Safety Nets, including universal health care.
And it should also be strongly regulated, with their donations being public record. Tithes should be heavily regulated, and the money fully accounted for. All churches should be operated with the same legal obligations as any other business.
I am not so sure about this. At the top, fundamentalist have convinced themselves that God can choose champions who are above all of his rules. They are chosen, they can do whatever the fuck they want. Rest of the people, of course, needs to abide to "God's rules".
At the bottom, it's kept simple: anything and anyone they dislike is anti-christian (that can be stretched to no end).
100% - I grew up in this.
They live in “feelings”. You go to church, you raise your hands during worship and there’s a collective weirdness where you “feel” like you’re “in gods presence”.
Because of this feeling they get to be the worst humans imaginable because every Sunday they get the feel goods and Jesus loves them and they literally do not believe they’ve done anything wrong because of it.
Horrible horrible people.
coughRomans 3:10-12cough
Nonsense, nobody with the intelligence to start a church and convince people to join it, believes that kind of nonsense. It is LITERALLY like believing in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, and INSISTING that our entire society should be configured to follow the rules that Santa Claus and/or the Easter Bunny demands. And who interprets those demands? Those same religious leaders. And surprise! Those demands include doing everything those leaders tell you to do without hesitation or question, and giving them as much money as you can possibly come up with.
It's a scam, and they KNOW it's a scam. NONE of them believe in God, or they would be absolutely certain that they are destined for Hell. Or maybe they do, and they know that since they're going to Hell anyway, they might as well take advantage of the fun on Earth, before they go to their eternity of getting poked in the ass with a pitchfork, or whatever their weird cult believes.
I think it's a mix, with overlap, and the ratios are tough to determine. Opportunists and believers align in stroking their egos and celebrating class or human exceptionalism. I imagine the tip-top of the pyramid consists primarily of opportunists, but I'd not be surprised if they've crafted their own batshit philosophies that justify their imagined superiority. The more dogmatic, rigid, and traditional ideas are reserved for the plebs.
Also, I don't think that intelligence obviates belief/ego; in fact, I wager it can lead to an even more spurious web of justification, like epstein and the dark enlightenment bros. People are crazy and environmental chaos will amplify it.
I'm not christian, but I think my moral values of not committing heinous acts are superior to the Christian values of those acts being ok if you ask sky daddy forgiveness afterwards.
Raised Catholic, currently atheist:
That's not really what is said in the bible about forgiveness - it's very clearly stated that god knows your heart and there is no forgiveness without true penance. That's not "say 5 hail mary's and 3 lord's prayer and you're all good", that's a run-off effect of the middle-ages "indulgences", where someone could be "forgiven" their sins for a payment to the church.
Actual forgiveness as described several times in the bible explicitly requires the confessor to be truly sorry for their sin (contrition), and a real commitment to do better in the future. This is a fairly concise summary of what the bible says about contrition, confession and forgiveness: https://biblehub.com/topical/c/contrition.htm
TL;DR - There is no forgiveness if you are not truly sorry and if you don't do your best to be better.
Ah, I see you're trying to crusade, please indulge me: is correcting somebody who's being facetious and antichristian worth your time while you could be doing something to fight white christofascism? Or are you providing them smokescreen?
It will be a small, hollow victory.
But I hope I can hear the MAGAs cry, when they find out "Christian Nation" means they can't get booze and pr0n anymore.
I once trained a guy who worked with some of the Saudi royals. He was really cool, wasn't Saudi (Jordanian, the poor Arabs without oil), and wasn't a practicing Muslim. The subject of alcohol came up, and I said that it was illegal over there, and he said "Not for the royal family. They have rooms filled with cases of booze. I've seen it, often. The people can't drink, but the royal family definitely does."
If the house of saud could maintain their power without the clerics you bet your ass they would. The clerics are an allied power who could turn against them if they got out of line.
They both like the control that each other offers. It's a good, perfectly complementary partnership...for them.
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the Earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the Sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you...
Oh, not these values.
Right wing American politics has made a mockery out of Christianity.