You know we're gonna be talking to ai slop machines next. I'd rather wait 15 minutes for a human.
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Im so glad a company finally admitted that the "we're experiencing a higher-than-normal call volume" was just bullshit.
... Wut? Who thought this was a good idea in the first place 😭
Some moron with an MBA, as per usual.
Ok so why is this such a widely adopted model by government and cellphone services increasing it up to waiting for hours on the phone ? It’s like they want you to afford to have these things but don’t expect anyone to have to have a job to earn enough to have these things.
Years ago I called them to get an RMA on a scanner that had a fingerprint on the INSIDE side of the glass. They wanted me to disassemble it and charge me $70 for the knowledge on how to do so. Fuck HP.
Their sales reps that hang out at Microcenter would actually not stop talking to me. I literally walked past them and wouldn't make eye contact. They followed me through the whole section. It wasn't until I approached an actual MC employee and said, "I will never buy an HP product. Can you help me?" The HP guy still followed us while I bought another printer! Fuck HP.
HP support sucks. They wanted me to buy a support package to get a link to a driver. Like, fuck off.
capitalism is never about the product
CAPITALism. It's kind of right there in the name. Quite on the nose, I might add.
HP is one of those companies whose products you can easily avoid. I don't understand their dominance in the printer market, or why people continue to buy their products when many of them are objectively poor. I also don't recall a time when HP had a particularly strong reputation to begin with.
At this point, most competitors offer better alternatives than HP.
It's a known brand, that's the reason why people choose it.
No, their laptops were pretty good about 10-12 years ago. Mac guy, but Macs weren't great in the Intel era. I was advised to get an HP laptop. The one I was looking at was very highly rated. Can't remember the name. Bought one from Asus with better specs. I would have been fine with the HP.
We used to have Elite Desks at work and they are dogshit. I kinda want one though. 8th Gen i5 with 8GB RAM. I wanna toss the hard drive and put an SSD in it. Then put Steam OS on it. I bet it would be decent for 2000s PC gaming. Like up to Skyrim.
Current gen omnibooks are really good if you can ignore or cover the AI branding. They're also a really good value especially with how often they're on sale. Source: I bought one a year ago and it's been very good.
Yeah, I think most new PCs are also Copilot PCs with the branding and the button, if that's what you mean. I don't really mind that. I only use Windows at work, and we can't use Copilot because it requires a personal Microslop account now, and we're not allowed to sign in with one (only the corporate Intranet account). I think some people do anyway; to me, it's as bad as using Facebook/whatever social at work, because IT can see everything you do. And I have enough history with Microslop (Xbox as well) I don't want to associate with my job. I leave my job at the door when I leave and I leave my personal/social life at the door when I go there.
There are better printers than HP, but they have a solid niche where they're the least expensive enterprise printers that aren't entirely garbage.
Least expensive until you have to buy ink or toner.
Not necessarily. Epson has good support in the enterprise area, but their toner is just as bad as HP's. And don't even get me started on Lexmark.
Again, their home stuff is a different story. But once you cross over into "lol business" things change.
I self-solved my HP problems by never buying from HP again. I love my Brother printer. Don't any of you dare quote stories about Brother enshittifying stuff in the replies (I will cry).
Brother has started selling printers that require an ink or toner subscription. I had to watch out for that last time I bought one.
Even if they get worse, I'm sure another brand will take their place.
I just bought an MFC color laser printer of theirs, first thing I immediately did was block it from connecting to the internet in my firewall. I guess I'm lucky it still has an older fw version installed. Hopefully I can buy 3rd party toner, I guess I'll have to wait and see.
For me the solution is simply to just not own a printer. I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to print something in the last year. Anyway that's what parents are for, their house is where you store things you only occasionally want.
I tried that and gave up after a year because it was getting old running to the library every few months to print that one page I needed for something odd that came up. Granted it's been one of those years where so much life insanity happens that you have to work through. But now I'm happy that I can also print coloring pages and anything else I feel like printing on top of insurance documents that the DMV needs me to mail and passport applications and new tax forms for fun new tax challenges I've found myself in, and so on.
But doctor... I am the parent.
Seriously, half the stuff that we print is coloring pages.
It's like a CEO heard a joke or saw a comic where this happened and thought it was the best idea possible. "If we add in waiting time for no reason then some of the people will hang up and go away." It's the same logic as making anyone who wants to close an account (such as Netflix) jump through 3 people and a million hoops.
Seriously, I moved to a town where Comcast has no Internet service, I looked it up on their online service tool. They STILL ran me through retention even after they looked it up and confirmed it internally, and I had to go through 10 extra minutes of some lady reading from a script before they'd kill my account, and then had the gall to ask if I wanted to complete a customer service survey.
I completely stonewalled the comcast retention stuff and I think I cut the entire call down to 5 minutes once I had someone on the line. I almost felt bad because she was clearly new and had a trainer with her. I just kept saying 'just cancel the service' every attempt to ask me something was met with 'have you cancelled the service yet'
Lady I have anxiety about phone calls, I am not happy I have to make one. If I have to play this conversation through in my head 100 times then we're following one of the scripts I have ready, not comcast's.
I'll remember that trick.
Tell Comcast youre going to prison and wont be able to pay for their service
I'll remember that for next time.
Yeah, my current ISP has two choices on phone: 1 for contract stuff, 2 for technical support. 1 always has at least 5 minutes waiting time, while 2 usually has none. Choices were made.
On a new service I like to mash the # key a couple times. Sometimes it skips the options & puts me in a queue for generic customer support.
"influence customers to increase their adoption of digital self-solve"
Corporate speakers should be paddled
Sounds like a great way to increase their adoption of a competitor’s product
While hilarious, that's more than a year old...
Well shit. I saw it on hacker news and thought it was recent.
My bad for not paying attention.
To be fair, if you got on hold with HP support on the day the article was published, you'd still be onhold today.
Yes, because the #1 thing everyone wants to hear over and over is a voice saying "go to double u double u double u dot..."
This is the fucking 21st century if they could fix their shit on the internet they would have already done it.
Especially pisses me off when the only reason you're calling them is because their website /portal / app explicitly went "you can't do that here, call us"
Even better than that is Siteground's absolutely abysmal support system.
In order to access support they force you to type your question into their chatbot first. This is not optional. It's the only way to get support.
Fools that we are, we actually tried the solution the chatbot offered. This resulted in a good amount of time wasted looking for settings that didn't exist, because the solution was total bullshit. They claim they've customized this thing to give helpful outputs, but it's clearly just ChatGPT with a custom prompt.
When we finally spoke to an agent I pointed this out and they responded with the stock "You should always double check the output of AI" line.
DOUBLE CHECK WITH WHOM, YOU MOUTH BREATHING MORON? THIS IS YOUR OFFICIAL FUCKING SUPPORT CHANNEL. YOU LITERALLY DIDN'T GIVE ME ACCESS TO ANY OTHER KIND OF SUPPORT UNTIL I USED THE CHATBOT FIRST, SO WHERE IN THE ACTUAL FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO DOUBLE CHECK THE OUTPUT?
Is it with a customer service agent? Is that what you're saying?! That I should ignore whatever it tells me, wait until I can talk to a representative and then do whatever they say instead? Because if that's the case, WHY IN THE FUCK ARE YOU FORCING EVERYONE TO TALK TO THE BOT FIRST??!!!
Absolutely fucking asinine idiocy. Anyway, don't use Siteground, they fucking suck.
Yeah ran into that a month or so back with some service or other. Account was locked out, I told the prompt I was looking for an account unlock, I got to listen to “you can do most things by logging into your account at” for 45 minutes.
I did tier 1, 2, and eventually some 3 support back in the day for a software company. I liked how they handled it.
Customer called in, reached a live person doing intake. The intake person noted their question and callback number, helping to scope the problem if needed, and entered a ticket into the queue. The intake person gave the caller an expected wait time for a support tech to call back, pointed them to online written help documentation, and ended the call. Then push the ticket to tier 1, 2, 3, or "urgent, need to call NOW" queues. Depending on tier and call volume and time of day, they'd get a callback from a tech anywhere from immediately to the next morning.
Support techs like myself were coached to help over the phone, but also to point out the written materials and encourage their use. I would commonly say, "sure, that's a problem we can fix, go ahead and go to screen x, click on button y, etc. By the way, you're not the only one who had had this question, we even have an entry on this in our support documentation. Let me show you where you it's at so you can get to the fix even faster than a phone call next time".
Having the intake person take numbers, then techs call back later saved customers from having to wait on hold for lengths of time. We had very few cases of irate customers stuck waiting.
My shittiest experiences are the companies that don't do any intake and make all tiers of calls wait on hold in the same queue. Luck of the draw if the tech you end up with is a tier 1 still in training pants or a tier 3 pissed to be walking a customer thru updating their password for the millionth tim.
I feel like a lot of companies don't do things the good way not because the good way is hard, or the bad way is cheaper, but because management is stupid. Stupid or sometimes apathetic.
Fuck these companies that refuse to provide customer support and try to force us on inadequate bullshit llm answers, if I didn't want a solution I would use them.
I assume every large company and bank (big or small) does this kinda shit on the regular
Having run a couple support teams, I get where they’re coming from with the wait time.
Every minute my team wasn’t spending helping customers was spent updating the knowledge base. We invested a ton of effort into it, and 90% of the tickets were answerable in the first interaction with a simple search.
But getting people to actually read the docs was impossible. And maybe if we made them wait they’d get frustrated
But that’s not very nice to your customers or the agents.
My very first desk job was an outsourced support role where 99% of calls we simply found the answer in the user manual and provided that to them. The other 1% was usually something isoteric we'd forward on to someone within the company. The amount of callers who'd say "I've read the user manual cover to cover and I just can't figure out how to..." And I'd just try to page 12 on the PDF and read them the instructions word for word
At the scale of HP, I can see the logic. You know that, say 60% of calls are directly covered by the knowledge base because you have those metrics. That's means 60% of their support overhead could be eliminated if they somehow got people to read those documents. Hardware sales usually have very thin margins and a customer contacting support can easily cost more in support than the entire profit margin of the product (and often it's a self-inflicted problem) and of course an RMA for most products basically negates all profit from that sale. It's a real business challenge and the asshole solution is to simply tie people up for 15 minutes in the phone system before connecting to a human to see how many people hang up and how much that reduces support load
I can guarantee making them wait won't make them read if that wasn't their first choice to begin with. All you're doing is making them angrier for when they finally do get connected to a person.