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[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 76 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Black Market organ harvesting.

What happens when we treat prisoners as a commodity.

[–] meleecrits@lemmy.world 71 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Going by what's in the article, which, admittedly, isn't a lot, I think this is more a case of negligence. Anyone who dies in a prison is automatically autopsied. In order for a heart to be a viable transplant organ, the donor must be in a brain-dead state while still receiving life sustaining care. Even a few hours deceased is enough to make a heart non-viable (though apparently this is becoming less true!).

The much more likely answer, is either the autopsy surgeon or an autopsy tech threw the heart out in standard biohazard waste. Still disgusting, uncaring behavior, but until more evidence comes out, I'd say this isn't malicious.

All that said, the Alabama Correctional Prison System is terribly corrupt, so it wouldn't take a lot to change my mind.

[–] zabadoh@lemmy.ml 16 points 10 months ago

The prisoner, Dotson, was “found dead” so who knows how many hours the body was lying there.

That pretty much precludes any use of the heart for transplant.

His relatives said they received the body in a decomposed state, but that could have been poor storage by the coroner before or after the autopsy, or the body might have been well hidden inside the prison so it was a long time before someone found it.

The article isn’t very clear on the condition of the body at each stage of handling.

What’s in the article is probably all the information that the reporter could get out of the prison authority, the state Department of Forensic Sciences, and the University.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What is this??? Logic on social media??? No, let’s assume the craziest worst case scenario first!!!

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 10 months ago

Maybe they thought he was a vampire and had to stab it with a pencil and then forgot to put it back. There, happy?

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

I can see it being negligence if an autopsy was performed.

I didn't know hearts don't stay viable long so I think your answer is more likely than mine.

But an organ harvesting operation of prisoners wouldn't surprise me.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

It sounds like the family is claiming it was going to be used for medical research, not transplantation.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 5 points 10 months ago

i mean, at least declare it; "guilty; you shall be used for parts by the highest bidder!"

its not like we care about rehabilitating any of these people

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 3 points 10 months ago

Could be. I don't believe the "found dead" part either.

[–] athos77@kbin.social 66 points 10 months ago (1 children)

the director of the Alabama Department of Forensice Sciences, Angelo Della Manna, said he hadn’t reviewed Dotson’s particular case file and couldn’t answer any questions about Dotson specifically.

Which automatically makes me incredibly suspicious of the Alabama Department of Forensic Services. You're in a court of law, testifying about what your department did, and you can't even be bothered to look at the file? Yeah, sure.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean, that's a hilarious defense.

"Hey boss they need you in court tomorrow about this specific Dotson case."

" Don't say another word about it, I don't know shit and I'll tell em myself."

[–] athos77@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

You'll see it with politicians all the time:

Reporter: Do you have any comment on [some scandal within your party]?

Politician: No, I haven't had time to [read the charge sheet | watch the video | whatever else].

Like the politician doesn't have a staff member whose entire job is tracking that stuff and giving the politician summaries of whatever's going on.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Desecration of human remains is a crime. Defund Alabama prisons.

[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

Their politicians already did.

[–] MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

as an ex prisoners let just say they starve you and that haert was ate

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

There's a lot to unpack in your comment. First of all, you were multiple prisoners??

[–] AlfredEinstein@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

#"Hide yo kids. Hide yo wife. They be harvesting organs in the prisons."

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Vampires? Organ thieves? So many other questions here.

[–] EvilEyedPanda@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Chaaaaarrrrlieeeee, we're going to Candy Mountain!

[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Hmm. Do hearts normally go missing or is this something people sell?

Knowing is just impossabro

[–] Maultasche@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Indiana Jones and the Prison of Doom

[–] Dhar@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago
[–] PatFussy@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He was killed for not repaying drug debts. His body was stiffening when they checked him on his own bed. Seems pretty obvious the inmates stole his heart. Probably swept him off his feet, too.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 months ago

Taking what the prison says at face value is naive at best.

Probably eaten by a dog.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago

oh klaus mikaelson

[–] Potatisen@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

America, fuck yeah!

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

I bet it's been used in some sort of carcosa, king in yellow, occult shit.

[–] Fallofturkey@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Obviously it was the cult of the tree

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 10 months ago

Prisons in the south are notoriously shady.

[–] just_change_it@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Of all the current things to worry about the last thing anybody should really be putting any effort into is a deceased person's missing internal organ that was removed after death.

It's horrible, yes, but so many horrible things play out every single day. This has no impact beyond psychological to the family involved. The guy is already dead. The heart won't bring him back. The heart won't stop them from suffering his loss.

I'm sure there are far more pressing things to investigate that impact the living and the masses. I know this is cruel and ignores emotion but if there was ever a reason to put the majority before the minority, this is one of those.

[–] FictionalCrow@yiffit.net 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I assume you take this dumbfuck stance on ALL crimes and law enforcement right? The deed is done who cares anymore! Just living in the past!

[–] just_change_it@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I think law enforcement should mostly be based on a triage system. Biggest problems get the most resources. Minor problems get the backlog.

There are so many problems in prisons that actually need investigation that a single case of post-mortem organ harvesting is truly minor. This isn't a pattern of behavior, this is one single case. Prove me wrong.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Somebody literally stole his heart, kind of romantic in a way.

[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But the very next day, they threw it away

[–] Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This year, to save someone's tears,

They'll give it to someone special

[–] butterflyattack@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Probably ended up in someone's ramen.

[–] crsu@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I laughed.

Of all the possibilities, I hadn't considered him simply losing an honorable contest between warriors.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I was referencing a Futurama quote but same deal. ;)