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Fucking useless.
The only thing going here is that, as the tin foil hat people say, there is no such thing as "ex-CIA".
Per the 25th:
Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue [of the presidents inability to govern] ... determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
It's easier to impeach him rather then hit him with the 25th, impeachment doesn't take his cabinet and 2/3 of the House and Senate to do it. It just takes a majority of the house and 2/3 of the Senate. Considering that didn't work the previous couple times, I doubt something that adds an extra layer along with a more difficult vote would either.
Maybe one could argue something like "They're waiting until after the two year mark so Vance can get the benefits of being the incumbent while also getting two terms" but c'mon, Vance is a charisma black hole. No shot that's the plan. IMO until the outcry drops his approval to like, sub 20, R's aren't going anywhere near getting rid of Trump, and even then I have my doubts.
Yeah the 25th is more for "the president had a stroke, but the administration is working well", impeachment is for "the president is evil and insane but maintains support with his die hards". Impeachment requires crimes or behaviors unbefitting the office, it requires you actually do something wrong. The 25th is far more of a way to remove a president without saying they did anything wrong, it would suck to get it, but it isn't necessarily a shameful thing.
If they invoke the 25th, they do not have to take that as a political loss. Something like "Trump got demented, we got rid of him, but his politics were still good" ...
The Republican MAGA base will not see it that way. And they will slaughter Republican Congressmen in the next election.
No, because if nobody tells him that all he has to do is write a letter to Congress affirming his ability, he'll just pout and stomp around.
He won't look it up himself, he'll just complain on TS and remain removed.
nobody tells him
Why do you think there is any chance of that?
Por que no los dos?
Vance is a charisma black hole.
And worse than Trump.
I doubt they'll get Trump removed, but all this talk will have an influence on our military personnel, and when he orders some insane atrocity, like firing on American citizens, or launching a nuke, it is much more likely that the person pulling the trigger, or pushing the button, will remember this, and choose to not comply.
and choose to not comply.
He's been replacing ranks right and left with is sycophants so i wouldn't be so sure... plus, saying "no" to orders is not a desired trait for soldiers.
There are numerous reports of pushback by soldiers at bases around the world about this war.
Soldiers don't mind going to war for competent leaders, but they recognize when their leaders are calling for war for bad reasons, or in this case for no discernable reason at all. Apparently, they aren't as enthusiastic about that.
People talk about this like it’s just something you can do so easily, pretty sure the requirements require the Vice President and like most of Congress to all turn on Trump and since we all know they’ll sell their entire families down the river for Trump, we can also assume they’ll die before invoking the 25th Amendment.
FR impeachment is far more likely, and with these dipshits it's unlikely.
Just stop. Stop with the false hope. He's in power for life, whether that's 10 weeks or 10 years. Too many powerful people are benefitting.
He'll be a brain in a jar before we're rid of him, and even then when his brain does die, they'll just fake a connection to chatGPT and call him the omega god king of murica.
There's another amendment written with people like Trump in mind too, but since that one involves bloodshed people really don't want to go for it. Neither do I, frankly, not if there is any other way. Think we may be running out of road on other options though. I can only hope things are resolved before it becomes necessary. Trump is a tyrant, however and he acts as though he is a king. Founding fathers were pretty clear on what to do about those. Hopefully more civil methodology will prevail.
Agreed
Hopefully
As long as you keep having hope things will change, things will only get worse.
Also from the Declaration:
Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it.
The people's on the couch slowly dying or morbid obesity while watching Fox News.
We don't need Trump removed and replaced with another right wing Luddite. The whole diseased Republican party and everything they currently stand for needs to be done away with. The rot is not one man, The rot goes all the way to the core. Trump just gave the others the permission and validation to more openly be as vile as they previously were in private.
The Democratic party are no saints, but there is at least a chance of turning them around with the right people, policies, and regulations.
The Republican party, and anyone openly and proudly that still calls themselves among their members, is a lost cause.
What do you mean with this usage of the word Luddite, I'm confused? The Luddites were left wing populists. Moreover the modern day right wing are supposed technocrats desiring to leverage AI both as a mechanism of control and as a justification for the extraction of oil, coal, natural gas, and water in their war against the land.
So was the 2nd Amendment.
Well John, your organization was once very involved in regime change. Perhaps this time you can get it right?
Seriously, make a few calls to some old work friends. He doesn't have to be removed gently
I mean... I think that's supposed to be implied in the subtext. The 25th was ratified in the aftermath of the Kennedy assassination. When former CIA spooks start talking 25 it feels very different from when the useless cable news pundits bring it up.
Wait, is "25" CIA-speak for "86"?
Or am I reading too far into it because I just finished 11.22.63 last night (the show, not the book)?
25th amendment
John Brennan served as Obama's CIA Director for four years. During that time - I've been told - foreign governments infiltrated our media and party establishment and legislature, corrupted our democratic process, and handed a known agent of a foreign government the position of Chief Executive.
This known agent was a co-conspirator of another well-known blackmailer and professional pedophile, serving as an agent of a foreign intelligence service within the United States for over four decades.
The CIA response to this infiltration was to... do nothing.
Meanwhile, agents within the CIA have manufactured consent for wars against Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, and North Korea for as long as our current president has been a known fence for the Russian mob. They have collaborated with the known blackmailer/pedophile for just as long. And - upon taking office - they faithfully continued to fulfill their duty as agents of a corrupt and despotic president, including through illegal arrests, extraditions, torture, arms sales, drug trafficking, and sabotage.
Why the fuck does the CIA still exist again?
The CIA exists to operate the honeypots.
I feel this is becoming a trend for the wrong reason.
The 25th should be invoked. I still want everyone attached to him in jail afterwards. I don't want the statue quo. I want actual change and accountability. I want pelts, when we're done!
Everyone already has pardons. :/
Nope! The odds are not out yet.
Fuck your family! Bet on how many children die in the next warlords conflict.
I still think it's crazy that people aren't calling for the abolition of presidential pardons.
Seems like a system that was just WAITING for abuse.
No. The 25th Amendment was written with John F. Kennedy in mind. Specifically, a John F. Kennedy that survived being shot but remained incapacitated/unable to do the job of President.
34 felonies and 25 amendments.