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[–] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This is the real way to hurt a company. Once an open source version exists, even if it is not as good as the commercial offering, they will have trouble convincing people to pay for what they are selling.

Of course, they should be compensated for their work, but if you can build it yourself then the cost to a company does not need to be much higher than the costs of parts and labor for someone else to do it for you.

One of the things I want to do is build decent applications and release them for free so people can get the same functionality of their paid apps but not need to pay anything.

Main thing stopping me is time.

[–] pelya@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Military tech companies will be perfectly fine. They typically have 10+ year contracts, and military equipment has a huge price margin in exchange for being reliable and field-serviceable, and the main disadvantage of DIY radar is reliability (unless you also recruit the guy who built it into the army).

It will probably impact civilian market more, where the same companies will try to sell you an unnecessarily hardened machined aluminium box full of cheap Chinese electronics, camo painted for an additional ten thousand bucks.

Their next commercial offering might just be cheaper.

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[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 341 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Game changer. This is going to save me so much on my monthly radar bills.

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 80 points 3 days ago (2 children)

My German U-boat neighbors are seething right now.

The sonar git is still private.

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[–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You're lucky to have that. My radar has ads.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

"You've reached your monthly tracking limit. To track additional targets, please upgrade to the Defense+ plan."

[–] hushable@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There are companies that offer RaaS, basically radar rentals.

Source: my company had a customer who rented a weather radar for a year to do a study on weather patterns in South America

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[–] teft@piefed.social 208 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

Interestingly enough, this project was originally licensed under the MIT license, but Motti was advised that said license does not protect physical hardware, so it changed to the CERN-OHL-PT license. Should you elect to build your own unit, be aware that the frequencies it operates in are almost assuredly highly regulated in your legal jurisdiction.

Also be aware of anti radiation munitions if you decide to operate one of these in a warzone. Radarmen have very short battlefield lifetimes because turning on a radar without lots of electronic countermeasures (hell even with countermeasures) is basically like turning on a spotlight that says “blow me up”.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 122 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (30 children)

So, one of the really interesting things to me about this approach is that it offers the same asymmetric value proposition that cheap attack drones do to modern pre-drone IADS.

That is: this is a platform that costs 10-15k, and an AGM-88 of modern manufacture costs almost 900k, and a Kh-31 costs about 550k - and, just as importantly, both require a long time to manufacture. So, you could theoretically make a moderately large distributed array sprinkled over a few square kilometers, and even if they’re ALL turned on, it quickly becomes logistically infeasible to knock them all out without spending a silly quantity on antirad munitions, as well as massively attriting your stocks of antirad munitions. And if you turn like 10-25% of them on at a time and cycle through your array, the problem becomes even harder for the attacker. And if you have some sort of process or mechanism - like, oh I don’t know, figuring out how to do light aerial transport with cargo drones, or even figuring out how to mount these distributed array nodes on the drones themselves, and some sort of lightweight tether for providing power - the problem becomes a MASSIVE pain in the ass for an adversary (especially that last idea, which introduces z-axis and immediate maneuverability, such that the array could feasibly detect and altogether avoid an incoming antirad munition).

And that’s the paradigm of modern warfare - not just drones, but also networked and attritable systems that maintain functionality when elements are taken offline

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 29 points 3 days ago (3 children)

adding to this. I imagine that the emitter by itself costs a fraction, so set-up a huge array of these dumb emitters, and a few active systems randomly within that array. You'd essentially create an interdiction zone.

[–] teft@piefed.social 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

You'd end up jamming yourself. You can't really have radars or other strong electromagnetic warfare devices near each other operating on the same frequency since they tend to interfere and wash out each other's signals.

As a decoy makes sense though since you can send them far away on a drone or something.

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[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 47 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is absolutely a thing. I remember reading a story about this, this was years ago, but this guy worked for the air force of some nation in heavy conflict. One of the most used weapons in this war was an anti-radiation missile, it would loiter for some time until it detected an emissions target then lock on and destroy it. Whenever they needed to use radar, they would hotwire a bunch of microwave ovens to work with the door open, then plug them in with like six extension cords plugged together. The missiles would lock right onto those microwave ovens and blow them up. He was joking about how the enemy would boast they destroyed 15 aircraft that week on the ground, when his force only had 10 aircraft to begin with.

[–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago

So what you are saying is one single Styropyro Macro-wave will suffice?

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Hmm, considering how cheap these are to make (relatively speaking) could it make a good decoy? Basically set a bunch of these up in random places away from anything important with remote on switches and when missiles start flying power them up one at a time. They're more expensive than the anti-missile drones (those are supposedly about $1000 a piece) but they might be more effective in their own way.

[–] teft@piefed.social 43 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Possibly but you could just put any radio signal up for a decoy, you don’t need something this fancy. Radar is just radio waves. The fancy part is collimation of the beam and sensing of the return beam. That’s what costs money.

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[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (3 children)

ITT: A bunch of people who think they know a lot about radar, expect to run their own radar at home, and think they can do it better for cheaper.

[–] musubibreakfast@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Honestly if I have fun building it then I'll spend 80 to build my own but if I need it right now then I'll probably buy a ready made one. It's basically the difference between my home pc and the mac I use for office work.

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Just do like Musk did and only use cameras. It'll be fiiiineeee.

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[–] elaina@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

morocco mentioned 🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦

[–] mtpender@piefed.social 43 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ukraine: "Write that down! WRITE THAT DOWN!"

[–] aquovie@lemmy.cafe 37 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This doesn't have any practical application in Ukraine.

Ukraine detects FPV drones with numerous distributed and networked microphone/acoustic sensors. You're not going to get any cheaper than a used phone paired with a $2 USB solar panel.

The larger Shahed/Geran and above stuff isn't limited by radar detection. What they need are cheap interceptors to deal with swarm attacks.

[–] pelya@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Radars are very much in use in Ukraine. There is a whole range of air targets besides FPV drones, there are ballistic missiles, fighter planes, bomber planes, helicopters, gliding bombs, and ships, all of which require a radar to detect.

Acoustic sensors have limited range. By the time it detects a missile, it's already flew one kilometer away, and it's too late to grab your AA gun. Gliding bombs are silent.

Radars have 50+ km range, and allow to shoot bombers and ships from beyond the border with expensive US-provided missiles.

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[–] Coyote_sly@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (4 children)

If you crack the combination of "actually cheap" and "reliable interceptor", the US military industrial complex is going to build you your very own Scrooge vault.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

“actually cheap” and “reliable interceptor”, the US military industrial complex

This is antithetical to the US military industrial contractor complex doctrine.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

And then defense contractors will sell it to the government for a 10,000% markup.

But in all reality they would steal it after the inventor commits suicide with 2 rounds to the back of the head

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[–] Tim_Bisley@piefed.social 57 points 3 days ago

Prices for electronics are exceedingly floaty in these ship-shinking days

I don't always make typos but when I do I sound like Sean Connery.

[–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Not sure if this is a good idea. As far as I know radars operate on a regulated frequency and you need a permit to use in most countries. There was also some incident a few years ago where the beam of a radar station would clearly show up on the cloud coverage maps of weather stations because they used the same frequency.

[–] iglou@programming.dev 10 points 2 days ago

That should never be a reason not to share open source knowledge!

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 12 points 2 days ago

This is, to be fair, mentioned in the article. Cool project nonetheless!

[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago (5 children)

The fact that Aeris-10 offers a true phased array system and ±45° elevation/azimuth adjustments are seemingly its differentiating factors. Prices for electronics are exceedingly floaty in these ship-shinking days, but a brief estimate pins the bill of materials at $5,000 for the 10N and $7,200 for the 10E.

So for $21,600 I could attempt the goal of the main characters in Twisters.

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[–] jerryh100@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (7 children)

by coupling this with the open source stinger project i saw last month do i suddenly have my own patriot defense system?

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[–] brigsi@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Motii claims that military surplus radars can be had for $10k to $50k,

What, really? Who is buying military surplus radars?

[–] TrollTrollrolllol@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

I bet more than one billionaire has them on their doomsday compounds. Who am I kidding, they buy the new $250k system.

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[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (11 children)

So what use would a private citizen or business have for a system like this? I'm not sure who the "commercial offerings" are meant for.

[–] TehWorld@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

I mean. I like cool electronic gadgets. It’d probably be fun to play with.

[–] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

This would be a lot of fun for those of us who like messing with radios and antennas

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[–] arsCynic@piefed.social 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Now do the Internet please.

[–] IWW4@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 days ago (4 children)

250,000. WTF….

You can by a Garmin boat Radar for 10-15K that has a 100 mile range…

What is the point of this mess.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This is a phased array radar system, which is significantly different than the mechanical radars used by boats/ships. A phased array system typically supports near real time tracking of multiple targets since the radar signals are controlled through solid state beam steering.

Mechanical radars like those on boats can only update targets as quickly as the antenna rotates, which can be as slow as 20 RPM for some consumer brands. They are very different beasts. Comparing the two is like comparing a car to a train…

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