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[–] stickly@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

A lot of people in this thread getting real defensive about objectively shit FOSS UI/UX. It's not just driven by corporate familiarity or laziness, it's a pretty major shortcoming in open source projects that never gets addressed because we constantly downplay it.

Designing for user experience isn't solely Apple's modern consumerist method of dumbing down, hiding complexity and smoothing corners for the largest audience. Human centered design is a deeply researched field going back to (at minimum) the second industrial revolution. Tool ergonomics, assembly line efficiency, poka-yoke design, control panel layouts for nuclear power plants, etc, etc.

I'm not asking for a design masterpiece every time but just glance at some UX guides. Require a UI review process beyond "I like how it looks". And please, God, please condense your settings menus and make them searchable.

[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

As someone who is planning to make software for others to use and have it be as user-friendly as possible, thank you... and I hope I can make something you can thank me for later.

[–] Sheik@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Are these western-centric UX guides only? Do you have UX information for different cultures?

[–] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 12 hours ago

Also the next hbomberguy video will be delayed for another 3 months

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

More languages should be glyphic.

found the chinese

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 118 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I see this genre of post going around a lot, and it just reeks of learned helplessness.

Yeah, I get it, sometimes you're stuck in a situation where, for whatever, the alternatives aren't viable or practical. You feel trapped. We all do. But why is the first instinct to gripe at the cool free software for not being quite what you wanted instead of getting mad at the rapidly enshittifying megacorps that put you into this trap you're in to begin with?

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 1 day ago

that, and it reeks of consumerism and a desire to feel superior.
"haha those stupid nerds and their shitty nerd software, i'm much more sensible for using corporate software that actually works (except it doesn't but ignore that)"

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[–] cybercafe@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would love to be free of Adobe CC, but unfortunately this is the case. The alternatives are getting better, the gap is closing, but it is still there. Adobe's time will come, but it's not soon enough.

[–] Jentu@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 day ago

I've already learned Resolve and Motion, so I'm just waiting for my current project to be completely picture locked and out the door, then I'm done with Adobe for good! I almost have a countdown timer going I'm so excited haha

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (4 children)

To be fair, open source apps usually have terrible UI

[–] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Hot take: adobe products also have shit UI and are actively being made worse; it’s just that people are used to it (at least until adobe decides to change something again)

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

I’m not thinking of any Adobe competitors, actually.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

At least UIs are standard now, back in my day (and still some today) people would make everything a CLI and then bitch at you when you told them that their very computationally efficient video trimming tool is cool and all, but editing video from the terminal is worse than CBT.

[–] captcha_incorrect@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

would make everything a CLI

What do you mean? There is nothing wrong with a CLI tool.

editing video from the terminal

Okay, I can get behind that.

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, there are lots of FOSS projects that have very obviously never had input from an artist or UI designer. The Venn diagram of “people who have the programming skills to make good FOSS” and “people who know how to design a good UI” consists of two almost entirely separate circles.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There’s also the attitude that you’re seeing in this thread, where if people had a problem with UX the response from the devs is basically “skill issue, git gud”

[–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

If it's documented... Skill issue or help out.

[–] EmilyIsTrans@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 9 hours ago

Most people don't have the skills to improve UX themselves and it shouldn't be a requirement of any software aiming for mass adoption. Frankly if you have users familiar with the product space reaching for a manual you've failed at UI design. It is entirely possible to design a new UX that people can still pick up and use largely without assistance

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[–] wrinkle2409@lemmy.cafe 30 points 1 day ago

If you don't want to face the inconvenience of learning something new to escape the grasp of technofeudalism suffer in silence, serf

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Ngl learning new UI is pretty easy.

[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

That's a young man's game

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[–] JayDee@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This reads like someone who just isn't willing to learn whatever new workflow the software requires. If that's the issue, then that person will never leave their enshittified walled gardens. There is no workflow that matches or imitates the one you learned, it's probably copyrighted, you're best bet is to jump ship and learn a new paradigm.

Also, have yet to run into an alternative that's actively recommended which doesn't at least have a windows build. LibreOffice, Krita, Blender, Darktable, GIMP, Audacity, Inkscape, and Openshot - the most common recs as alternatives to apps, all have windows as an option.

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[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 152 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (37 children)

Honestly I would tell people like this screenshotted poster to suck it up or go fuck themselves, because this is free software that is provided for you as is and for use as you wish. If you think the software isn't "adjusted enough" to meet your needs, then place requests for features in the relevant channels, be patient and try to work with the existing tools on offer, or keep shelling out booku bucks for Adobe's continually enshittifying service.

Accept your fate with the corpos instead of bitching that the community effort options aren't in your Goldilocks zone, shitbag.

God, this is why I hated Apple users at my old IT job. They'd bitch about the continually enshittifying status quo of their software and platform, and in the same statement reject all alternatives for not being "a smooth transition".

Edit: on a more positive note, Kritia, FreeCAD, and Kdenlive are all great and multiplatform.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This person wasn't saying that software developers are awful for not tailoring FOSS to their specific desires, they're venting about something that frustrates them. People should be able to vent without someone telling them to fuck themselves

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Then place it in the issues/suggestions tab of the project instead of mocking the project on mainstream social media. If you're that upset with the labor of others that you get to coast on for free, you don't belong in the conversation.

I'm tired of dealing with these kinds of people, and I'm willing to infer that maintainers, IT personnel, and friends trying to help this guy with their proprietary problems are too.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Maybe if they were talking about a specific FOSS project, but I don't think there's a TintonProClips software with a yucatec maya UI in real life. If you feel that your project is being called out here, that's on you.

They're expressing a valid frustration about how every time you complain about [product] getting worse, you get a bunch of people telling you to essentially completely relearn how to use a computer so you can completely change your workflow and use a piece of completely unintuitive software to achieve an end result that's similar to what you wanted [product] for, with complete disregard to any reasons why you aren't already using that alternative.

Let people complain. Don't proselytize for something unless the person complaining signals that they're looking for an alternative to what they're complaining about. Don't proselytize for something that the average user will just find confusing. If you do proselytize for something, know that you're opening both yourself and the thing you're advertising to criticism. And for the love of god, do not link a github repo to someone that you aren't damn sure will know what to do with it

[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 35 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I think it's OK to complain about free software on social media. It's also OK to tell people that sometimes, if they want something to be better, they might need to be the ones to roll up their sleeves and make it happen. But not everyone has the time or the technical wherewithal to fix every tool they use. I sure couldn't implement every improvement I ever thought of for free software, I don't have the time.

But I think It's still nice, for maintainers and for people thinking about getting into open source, to get a rolling feel for what gripes a lot of people share about open software. If I have a problem and I know a lot of people share my frustration, I'm much more motivated to try to fix it than if it's something I and no one else care about.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 17 hours ago

Peak Consumer Brain individuals cannot understand the concept of actually working together to make and accomplish things, all they know is 'confirm transaction' and 'overdraft fee'.

[–] mech@feddit.org 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think it’s OK to complain about free software on social media.

I think it's like complaining about a free product someone made in their own time and then delivered it to your doorstep.
If you don't like it, OK, don't use it. This isn't something you bought. Using the thing doesn't help the dev in any way, unless you also donate or contribute.

We live in a time where private FOSS devs of popular projects get buried under AI slop bug reports from multi-billion-$ corporations who use their work without paying, and death threats on social media if they made an unpopular change to the thing they put out there for free.

I think it's more akin to complaining about the public transit in a city where the public transit funded via donations. Yeah, you could pitch in, and maybe you do, but it's still a massive undertaking that is also massively underfunded, and even if you have an idea of what you want to change, you might not have the skills to fix it yourself, or even to file an actually helpful bug report. Should you learn how to engage with the process of opensource tool maintenance? Yes! It's a cool and fun thing to do. Is it hard for most people who aren't familiar with software development? Also very yes.

To be clear, I don't think maintainers have any obligation to see or think about whatever gets posted to social media. Trying to stay on top of what the internet is saying is an impossible task. But as a user and sometimes contributor, I like reading about what trials other users are going through, and if a complaint resonates with me I like to chat about it, and occasionally I'll pull down the source code for a project and see if I can figure out how to patch whatever it is we're talking about. For most of these cases I'll give up or get distracted before I have anything worthwhile to contribute, but every once in a while I'll get a PR submitted that spawned from a random conversation on the internet.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 56 points 2 days ago (9 children)

The great free software that works on windows and I have personally tried (some are only free for personal use, but others are completely free):

Have not tried

[–] JustEnoughDucks@slrpnk.net 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Canva is absolute raging hot garbage that I wouldn't touch with a 100 meter pole if I didn't need to. Is their Affinity any better?

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago

So, I bought Affinity before it was sold to Canva and I haven't upgraded it. I have used the Canva free version on someone else's system. As of late last year, it's fantastic. It's the 3 programs in one, photoshop, illustrator and publisher. There is a little bit of learning curve, but some things are better than photoshop, but of course there are a few things worse. They're probably going to enhitify it, but that might take a couple of years. It's a great free version for now.

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 2 days ago

Oh no slight inconvenience, how will he ever deal with it

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