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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted clever little truths, hidden in daily life.
Here are some examples to inspire your own showerthoughts:
- Both “200” and “160” are 2 minutes in microwave math
- When you’re a kid, you don’t realize you’re also watching your mom and dad grow up.
- More dreams have been destroyed by alarm clocks than anything else
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Pre-Adobe Dreamweaver.
Yes but the html it generated was a monstrosity. If you wanted to edit it again, you better use dreamweaver.
It definitely did not generate clean html lol but it was wysiwyg
Macromedia. They ran the Internet for a hot minute.
Shockwave, Flash, Dreamweaver, Coldfusion. My how things change.
I still have my copy of Macromedia Flash 5. Adobe destroyed it, so I made sure to keep my install package.
Personally I feel like they're generally pretty good at WYSIWYG. What they're bad at is WYSIWYW (What You See Is What You Want).
After I do a bunch of work in Word and I have a bunch of garbage, when I load that file back I still have the same garbage. If I print it, I get the same garbage. So yeah, I get what I see.
Is that what I want? No, I want not-garbage.
Anyone remember WordPerfect coming out with "reveal codes" and allowing you to basically edit the markup and fix the issues?
Word was never good with layout. Move one picture or text block on a page for just a tenth of a mm, and it can easily fuck up the whole page layout.
Exactly. You never get what you want, but you certainly get whatever crap you see.
I don't believe Word ever claimed to be WYSIWYG.
Oh, yes it did, from the start.
That was a major marketing point over WordPerfect.
Source: I supported the early versions of office.
It certainly has been marketed as one, but regardless, it is one. The commenter you've replied to isn't saying otherwise, they're saying it's difficult to achieve the desired outcome.
Fuck me, 3.2mb program size, 1mb RAM to run it.
How in God's name is word now about 1000 times that size and needs 400 times more RAM?
Hey, hey, 16K
What does that get you today?
You need more than that for a letter
Old-school RAMpacks are much better
That's why I refuse to use them. Just use markdown or latex if you want to get fancy with it.
PDF is the only format I know of that is truly WYSIWYG, as it's intended for print output. But, even with that, you need to know what you're doing, it's possible to fuck it up.
I wouldn't go as far as to call PDF a dumpster fire, but I can tell you that internally it is an absolute unholy mess internally. The fact that you feel like you get consistency out of it 100% comes down to the anal retentive developers who spend insane man hours tweaking the fuck out of their code to get whatever PDF library that they got stuck using from fucking up the image.
The worst part is that Adobe wants PDF to be the one and only format, but also wants to make sure that you have to use their very expensive PDF library to integrate it into your program. So, they constantly fuck with stuff and make changes that break shit. To make it even dumber, their own library doesn't always keep up with their changes, and when you report the bugs they created, they give no fucks about ever fixing the issue unless you are big enough to for them to care.
God fuck PDF.
I've hated it from the start in what, 1990-ish?
I generally dislike self-censorship & other compliance in advance with authoritarianism, but people calling pædophiles "PDF files" is great as an insult to the format. Donald Trump is a PDF file, and I mean that as an insult to PDF files!
Unless the fonts are not embedded and you don't have the right fonts installed
After a while I realized that Word (the web app) does not render lines of text in the same position as Word (the desktop app), in the very same file. The former seems to use a pseudo random line spacing.
That sounds like something Microsoft would do. They love inconsistencies.
They probably have a whole team of people ensuring that nothing is consistent.
I've used WYSIWYG editors for web pages in the late 90s, early 2000s and they did exactly what they claimed to do. 🤷♂️
Also: Klik n Play and The Games Factory were great WYSIWYG game engines that basically were doing what UE5 does with the logic side of things (the flow editor thing where you don't need to actually write code) way the hell back in 1994.
I came to say I feel like word processors did what I wanted at one point and then just sorta stopped.
Gimme that WYSIWYM, LyX.
I've just realised I haven't used anything like that in 20 years. Macromedia Dreamweaver, those were the days!
Do they even make them anymore? Last one I used which claimed to be WYSIWYG was Wordsworth on Amiga in the '90s.
Huh? They're the standard these days.
they're a huge part of CMSs and enterprise tooling for documentation or support.
As shitty as Google is, I've been messing about with Google Sites for one project, and I've been quite impressed with its WYSIWYG accuracy.
Your options there are limited (which probably plays into how it's so good), but what it shows you as you build it is pretty much exactly how the website will look when you publish it.
Try VisualEditor on e.g. Wikipedia. You notice idiosynchrasies if you're doing something specific or are pretty experienced, but overall, the difference between the editor and the preview (fully rendered page) is trivial unless you're messing around with a few specific elements (even then, a quick 'Preview' fills in this gap).
Shame you never had the misfortune of having to use NetObjects Fusion. Tables nested like an oversized fractal matryoshka doll.
It sounds like you are only talking about html.
Delphi VB6 C# Winforms Qt
These wysiwyg editors usually worked/work without issues.
I'm fond of WYSISWYG (what you see is sorta what you get).
I've made a few apps with wxFormbuilder and they were wysiwyg.
there was a good HTML editor back in the day called homesite, I made a very popular counterstrike site with it
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