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Error in the text: 1000mW laser with 532nm wavelength which is green light.

1000nm light is infrared.

Cross posted in https://lemmy.ca/post/64612634

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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 19 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, fuck flock. But really, truly, do not do this.

I don't give a damn about the Flock cameras. Set them on fire or steal them and sell them for scrap for all I care. But a laser powerful enough to quickly fry a camera sensor is going to be an extreme danger to human eyes. These type of lasers can be acquired fairly easily, but you don't want to be using them in public outdoor spaces. At these power levels, even reflections of laser light can be damaging to human eyes. And when you shine laser light on a solar panel or camera lens, some is going to be scattered in random directions. Sure, you can make sure to wear laser safety goggles while doing this. But random bystanders won't have that luxury.

[–] stray@pawb.social 4 points 3 hours ago

Apparently they can also set dark objects on fire and melt plastic, which has a lot of potential for unintended consequences.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

or you can saw of the pole its attached to, like they did elsewhere, or throw objects at it to break it.

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Just put a bit of gaffa tape over the camera

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 3 hours ago

those are easy to remove, better to make it cost more for them to replace it.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 23 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Just smash. Doesn't matter how. Smash smash smash. Or cover with paint or an oily plastic bag. Or just smash. They are always like 8 feet up. Smash.

[–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 1 points 36 minutes ago

Yeah. Paintball gun if you want to be fun with it.

Spray can on a stick (there's tools for this at the hardware store, lets you press the button from down the other end of the stick) if you want to do it easily.

[–] Spezi@feddit.org 19 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

It would be interesting to train an image recognition algorithm on detecting flock cameras, build a raspberry pi with two servos and put it all in a nice box to carry around. For research purposes of course.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

It would be interesting to train an image recognition algorithm on detecting flock cameras

Or just query nearby bluetooth devices:

https://www.ryanohoro.com/post/spotting-flock-safety-s-falcon-cameras

EDIT: Also, those things read bumper stickers in addition to license plates. I've often wondered if they check for injection attacks between character recognition and storing it in their database.

Another edit: An attacker wouldn't even need to put the sticker on their own vehicle. And a $20 thermal receipt printer (a "cat printer" as they're known because the most popular model has cat ears and a cute cat face on it) can print on rolls of adhesive paper. I honestly wonder why no one uses them for sticker-based graffiti already. Probably because thermal prints don't last long in sunlight.

[–] Spezi@feddit.org 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Just use a brother P-Touch with the 24mm rolls. They are pretty weather proof from my experience.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 52 minutes ago

I want to make this clear: I was not speaking about myself, but a hypothetical attacker. I don't even know if such an attack would be effective.

That said, the rolls on the cat printer are 57mm and would probably be easier to resolve on a moving vehicle, and it would only need to last long enough to be read by one camera. Plus, the P-Touch doesn't look like a kitty cat.

[–] beyoublahaj@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

You might find this interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_F4rEaRduk&t=644

Edit: wrong timestamp

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 6 points 9 hours ago

There is a website that tracks flock cameras.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 80 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

If you hit an airplane they will try very hard to track you down. If you hit too many cameras they will probably try to find you, too. They will use your purchase history, social media post history, and location, for instance. So, best to buy the laser somewhere far from where you use it, AND pay cash if you can.

Not that I recommend this, but if you want to try, be smart about it. And, be careful.

[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

If you got the time im sure waiting a year to use it would also help.

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Purchase history is harder to check than you'd think. Use a giftcard on AliExpress and anyone outside of the federal level will be lost.

[–] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 13 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

That's the problem with this really. You gotta be really careful you're not caught on camera beforehand, and they have a lot of cameras. So unless you can just walk out of the woods near one and disappear the same way, you're likely gonna have a bad time.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I think its horrible that so many things are happening to us from our own government. They are supposed to be on our side but that was long ago now.

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago

A camera is a camera no matter the brand. Take a walk around your neighborhood and imagine the cone of sight each one has, eventually you'll see one that doesn't have another watching. From there it's just a game of mine sweeper.

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[–] slowmolaggins@thelemmy.club 51 points 12 hours ago

In my town, roads have potholes deep enough to cause damage to cars. Many intersections have been down and operating as 4 way stops for months. But somehow there's money in the budget to do this shit. I think some vandalism might be in order to teach priorities.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 111 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Yall make sure you're not visible on another camera when you try this - it's not like they won't be able to figure out when and where you were when you did it. FLOCKs are usually in high camera-density areas like parking lots and strip malls and such, and there's a lot of pressure to address vandalism against the surveillance apparatus.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 122 points 15 hours ago (10 children)

I know that Xwitter is usually a reliable source, but 1000nm is outside visual range and therefore not green. Green lasers in the ~500nm range will absolutely damage a camera sensor, but you'll need good aim and sustained illumination.

[–] degenerate_neutron_matter@fedia.io 95 points 15 hours ago (12 children)

If you actually want to do this, look at the NUBM44-V2 laser diode. 7 watts of output power and around $30 on eBay. Another $50 or so for a driver, heat sink, and lens and you can burn out cameras in seconds (you can also burn out your eyes so a good set of laser goggles is essential).

[–] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 39 points 15 hours ago (3 children)
[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 17 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

"My eyes! The Googles do nothing!"

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[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

I mean the whole point of flock is that they can track you everywhere. Destroying their cameras doesn't destroy the footage.

If you destroy their cameras they will just trace your movements backwards until they find a way to identify you.

You need to find a way to do it surreptitiously so it's not clear who is doing it, and they won't be able to figure it out by process of elimination by seeing who is commonly present when a camera iss destroyed.

[–] Eric@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

If this were really true, there would be no crime right now. Nancy Guthrie has been missing for months now despite the perpetrator being caught on camera in an affluent neighborhood where there would be many Ring, Flock etc. cameras. These companies overpromise and underdeliver as they all do. Their main purpose is get people to pay them. They are much less competent than they claim to be.

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 18 points 8 hours ago

The easiest way to best an opponent is to always assume they have the upper hand. If flock cameras are half as good as they say they are then approaching it as if it were twice as good means it will be good enough to match.

Being over prepared will never cost you as much as being under prepared.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Possibly, but I don't wanna risk my freedom on them being incompetent rather than corrupt.

[–] Eric@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 8 hours ago

I just want to counter their propaganda is all

[–] limer@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I think drone usage could solve some issues.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Idk, I think they can probably do a reasonable job tracing a drone back to it's takeoff location, and then tracking the person who brought it there back to their home, with decent coverage.

That said I don't know if I'm overestimating their ability regarding machine learning and AI - this is probably fairly labour intensive unless they've don't a good job preparing all their data and they have plenty of compute.

Depends on the drone.

DJI, yes.

Self builf without GPS or telemetry....probably not.

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[–] BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago

well that sucks, i was planning to do that later. there goes my night 🫤

[–] brownsugga@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago

i'm all for guerilla destruction of flock cameras

[–] Kaligalis@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

Just use a paintball marker. It doesn't destroy the camera, but you can paint the lens. They then have to have someone go there and clean it or wait until they get lucky with the rain cleaning it. It's probably also less of a crime than actually destroying the thing.

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 1 points 4 hours ago

These kind of devices (speed cameras etc) are typically coated so that paint just slides off

I wonder if you can fill paintballs with superglue or something else that adheres to plastic...

I wonder if you could suspend particulate in the glue to make it even harder to see through. Sand, or glitter perhaps.

[–] Spezi@feddit.org 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Much more visible though. A bystander can easily call the police on you if they see you damaging property, while a small compact laser can be hidden and its also not visible from the outside after the sensor has been destroyed. For research purposes of course.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 points 52 minutes ago

The laser spot from a 1W laser is bright enough to cause rapid, permanent eye damage. The beam will be bright, too. This is not subtle.

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Your would be a little more conspicuous marching around your neighborhood wielding a paintball gun than you would be with a pocket-sized laser pointer.

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