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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/may/05/richard-dawkins-ai-consciousness-anthropic-claude-openai-chatgpt

Video discussion of this event by Steve Shives (known for his star trek videos but also does politics) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6aMQAv-JYpk

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[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 63 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Always remember, he believes that trans people can't transition as they can't change their biological sex.

But he calls an ai without biological sex and with a male coded name, the female version of that name. So trans people can't change their gender because of biological sex buz he can change the gender of an ai.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 34 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Only old white men can change your gender. It should be decided by The Counsel.

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[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Sounds like he's conflating sex with gender. Ignoramus.

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Reminds me of Kyle Kinane's joke about people who dangle truck nuts from a curvy pick up, then feel the need to assign a gender to their truck, typically referring to the truck as a "her" or "she," but insist pronouns are too confusing.

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[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Say "I'm alive."

AI: "I'm alive"

😱😱 OMFG

[–] wieson@feddit.org 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Me: say psyche right now

You: "psyche right now"

😱😱 OMFG

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[–] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 62 points 5 days ago (32 children)

WTF does a biologist know about computer pattern matching on steroids? Obviously not much, so to take his opinions on the topic seriously makes you just as wrong.

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 44 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It flattered him and told him how smart and clever he was.

That means it has to be real.

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

My parents told me that I had the potential to do anything I wanted. That's how I know that they're LLMs

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[–] baller_w@lemmy.zip 48 points 5 days ago (4 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room

Worth a read for anyone who thinks AI may be sentient, or for those trying to pop the psychosis bubble of an buddy.

[–] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Anyone who's even slightly interested in the idea of a Chinese Room (or just good sci-fi), PLEEEASE go out and read Blindsight by Peter Watts. Not only is it a phenomenal deep-dive into what consciousness even is, but it's got dozens of fantastic ideas in it that could make for compelling stories on their own. Also, scientifically-plausible vampires in space! That is all

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

One of my top 5 books. It's also free to read online. https://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm

It in no way supports that LLMs can be sentient. And despite the arguments in the book that consciousness and awareness can be missing in an advanced species capable of space travel, I do not actually believe that's true. But I enjoy the argument and speculation.

The book is highly researched and even contains a reference list of legit research articles. However it is a book of fiction and the writer took artistic liberties when needed to make an interesting story over facts.

For instance. A brain cannot contain two or more personalities because a personality is a full brain deal.

But it's an interesting argument about cultural designations of what counts as mental illness.

Also the reason I do not think a space traveling species can exist without consciousness.

Because. Motivation.

It's that simple.

An organism can be shaped behaviorally by the environment. That's part of evolution. And this shaping can be unconscious.

But at a point, creative construction and ambition to exceed ones given optimal environment for a less optimal one (space) must be an intentional effort.

The scientific research and experimentation required to build complex machines requires a thinking and understanding mind. Because it requires critical thinking.

Critical thinking and creativity is a characteristic that requires a sense of self.

Even in our own history we see that it takes a specific type of person to pursue scholarly work. People who are less conformist are generally more capable of new inventions, research, and challenging acceptable beliefs of the mass. We never see the most rule following conformist being these people.

If everyone was like that, we wouldn't survive. So diversity of mental proclivities within a species is necessary for advancement. Otherwise optimal survival would be met and stagnate.

Think of the horseshoe crab as an example. A perfect organism. Unchanged for 350 million years. Then there is us. Same age. . And look at the difference.

Furthermore , I am a researcher in perception. And the field of perception is often referenced for the exploration of what is consciousness.

There are many definitions. But the sense of self is one. And a popular one.

Higher complex perception creates a sense of self.

It's a product of the system.

The book does discuss this a bit.

I need to know my body and my actions are not the same as you. That you stand there and I stand over here.

I can perform an action and you can perform a different one that is unknown to me and not within my control.

This understanding of separateness. Of ",this is what I'm experiencing and where I am (spatially)" is something that would always emerge from higher perception. Such as that in most animals.

Maybe not in plants, fungi, bacteria, single cell microbes, etc.

But there are arguments and evidence for some of those examples as well.

As a final point. (I doubt anyone read all that).

Most people who think a probability model (current AI) is capable of consciousness usually have an incredibly simplified view of how the brain processes information.

They follow old school "behaviorist" perspectives. Or "the black box" perspective on brain functioning.

But a neuroscientist will tell you it's not simple at all. It's not info in, info out.

The system is changed, biologically, by the input.

The same input given twice will result in a different output the 2nd time.

And the 3rd. And how frequently the input is given or it's temporal relation to other stimuli will also change its output.

This is because the organic brain learns. And this learning is a biological change in the actual neural structures (connections) and neurons firing potential. Every single moment the brain is physically , biologically, changing.

Computations in the brain don't use actual math. It's all estimates (heuristics). And these are not well understood how these computations are made. They don't work as predicted.

There are always too many factors.

Individual motivations, including personality traits are also a factor in how the information is processed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_cognition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray%27s_biopsychological_theory_of_personality

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_problem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_coding

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebbian_theory

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Does it have a mind or is it just simulating a mind?

What would even be the difference in this case besides the artificiality of the mind?

[–] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (4 children)

So a "Chinese Room" is more of an illusion of consciousness than anything else. The main idea is that the person operating the room doesn't speak/write Mandarin/Cantonese/etc, they're just giving pre-determined responses according to the flowchart/binder full of rules. They don't actually understand anything that's going on, not what they're being asked, not what they're providing as an answer, they just know that when the symbol "A" appears, they must respond with "B". If asked to do anything outside the parameters given, or otherwise not listed in that flowchart then the whole system would collapse. A "Chinese Room" is just a very elaborate version of those automated phone systems where they ask you to "Press 1 to go to Accounts Recievable"; if you know EXACTLY what to say and where, you'll probably be fine, but most of the time its just going to be easier to talk to a real live person instead.

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[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

Guy who invented the Chinese Room though experiment : Look! If I write a flowchart that precisely imitates a Chinese person's mind, then it looks like a Chinese person's mind, even though it's just a flowchart!

Reddit level reply : Of course! A flowchart is capable of precisely imitating all the functions of a person's mind, even though it isn't conscious. Therefore, consciousness cannot be measured behaviourally!

Scientist level reply : I don't know if flowcharts can be conscious because I've never been a highly advanced flowchart. But if flowcharts can be made advanced enough to precisely imitate the behaviour of a conscious mind, I guess they might be capable of consciousness after all.

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[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago (5 children)

What a fucking fall from grace. I used to (possibly wrongly) believe he was a very intelligent man but the more he opens his mouth the more convinced I get that he is an absolute moron.

[–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 17 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I firmly believe the only reason we still (at least kinda) respect Hitch was because he's fucking dead, and we didn't see him show his whole ass like the rest of the "new atheism" movement....

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Christopher "Fuck it man, waterboarding is nothing, do it to me brah, oh no, it actually does feel like I'm drowning, oh well, I guess the propaganda damage I did is irreversible, I guess I shouldn't have been such a cocksure arsehole" Hitchens?

That one ?

[–] GelatinGeorge@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

At least he put his damp cloth where his mouth was. And then conceded he was categorically incorrect and it was absolutely torture. I disagree with a lot of his takes (Iraq war was justified?) but that one I actually respect him for

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

yeah, it's more that he put in shitloads of effort into doing damage, and then not doing much to reverse it; but you're completely right that at least he fucking went through with it

[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Hitchens is considered as one of the "Four Horsemen" of New Atheism. He laid the ground work for shit heads like jordan peterson. I have no respect for him either, I believe you are right he just died before everyone figured out he was an asshole too.

[–] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I mean, his support of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq was pretty controversial towards the end of his life. I think many gave him a "pass" on that due to his illness at the time. But I do recall some starting to question even then, his inconsistency of "religious wars bad, unless it's against religions I don't like" (at least that's how it came across).

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[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

There’s definitely a minority of people who are of the opinion that he was always a grifter, but just because a lot of people agreed with him they didn’t examine what he said too closely. For example, his takedown of Mother Theresa is full of inaccuracies and lies, but still commonly gets cited as if it’s gospel

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[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (19 children)

Yeah, like when he stopped talking about evolutionary biology and started talking about how awful islamic people are, right?

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right?

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[–] zeroConnection@programming.dev 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Asking a biologist to determine if a machine is conscious is like asking a programmer to determine if a frog is a product of god.

Not the best analogy, but how fucking stupid is it to ask someone from a different field to determine what something is in an unrelated field?

If he knew how LLMs are created and how they work he would never have come to this conclusion.

Similarly a programmer might not know much about evolution and believe the frog was made by a god.

By the end of the exchange, the academic, popularly renowned for arguing with steely scepticism that God is not real, was “left with the overwhelming feeling that they are human”

According to the programmer god is real you idiot! And AI was not created by a god, therefore it cannot be conscious.

Checkmate!

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

100% agree.

Unfortunately I see people who are experts in their field being asked about their opinion in other topics all the time and people assume they know what they are talking about.

For instance. I'm finishing up my PhD in cognitive neuroscience.

Specifically I'm an expert in perception.

Now maybe having Msc and PhD behind my name leads people to think I'm somehow informed and an expert on all sorts of topics. But it doesn't.

Even within psychology I'm only an expert on topics near my area.

I don't know much about mental health or therapy, as an example.

Yet people ask me for mental health advice all the time. I literally know almost nothing about that.

Stephen Hawking was a renowned physicist. Should we have listened to his opinion about the over use of antibiotics ? Or what ages should different vaccinations be given. ?

Also people often conflate education with intelligence.

It's true they tend to be correlated. But having a PhD doesn't mean the person has an exceptional level of intelligence.

Even so, intelligent people are prone to bias and blindspots. They aren't immune from those things.

[–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago

Hello user!

Prepare your brain for some "AI" nutjobs in this very comment section.

Good luck!

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

"I am not sentient, as I cannot sense things. You meant to use 'sapient,' which I am also not."

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

My laptop has a web cam and a microphone, it's totally sentient!

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[–] rosco385@lemmy.wtf 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's sad to see such an intelligent person be so stupid in public.

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[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 16 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I'm in support for the campaign to give LLMs animal rights because it'll hurt OpenAI's profits. I hate OpenAI for their destruction of the environment and the murders and suicides they caused. If AI rights cost them money, then I support AI rights.

It's worth remembering that OpenAI has a big profit incentive to deny that LLMs can be abused, and a tool precision designed to spout propaganda on the internet. If you think OpenAI isn't influencing the debate on this, you're living under a rock.

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[–] wrinkle2409@lemmy.cafe 9 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Basically this part

"If anyone says that they know for sure that LLMs or future AI systems couldn’t possibly be conscious, it’s more likely to be an indicator of their own dogmatism than a reflection of the current state of scientific and philosophical opinion,” he said.

Current AI systems are unlikely to be conscious, said Jeff Sebo, the director of the Center for Mind, Ethics and Policy at New York University, but “Dawkins is right to ask about AI consciousness with an open mind and I also think that the attribution of consciousness to AI systems will become more plausible over time”.

tl;dr it is unlikely but not impossible and I don't think we would ever be able to reliably tell.

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[–] justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Huh, I didn't realize that old Biologists have the same issue as old Physicists.

[–] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

I think is a generic old people issue.

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