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[–] GayTuckerCarlson@hexbear.net 144 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Does anybody have the greentext that goes something like

Pirate game

Company loses $60 because it's theft

Company regains $60 after deleting game from hard drive

Pirate one million copies, company bankrupt from massive theft

Buy insolvent company for cheap

Delete all game copies, company profitable again

[–] perdido@lemmy.eco.br 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 101 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Embedded version:

I am human, and this action was performed automatically.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe one of the tightest written indictments of IP law. Companies "losing" money when no money changes hands makes me laugh.

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[–] Gsus4@feddit.nl 23 points 2 years ago

I love that, it's almost like how banks make money with loans: create money out of thin air, lend it, profit.

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[–] Lemongrab@lemmy.one 105 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] gabe@literature.cafe 82 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

yall, this dude tried signing up to my instance a few nights ago. yall wanna see why many communities have registration approvals? see below. warning for nsfw language

NSFW language

[–] DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 50 points 2 years ago

Fuck I love the "ok" as deny reason...so simple, so beautiful.

[–] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 38 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Still laughing at the vast amount of people coming from reddit and expecting only chill people to be on lemmy. Like lemmy users are somehow immune to toxicity.

It's less toxic overall but we (or mostly the moderators) will have to fight them all the time.

At least it will improve the moderation tools which is always a good thing.

[–] gabe@literature.cafe 29 points 2 years ago (5 children)

When I realized it was that dude who tried signing up to my instance I lost my shit laughing, if he was screened prior it's obvious he wouldn't have gotten in. This is precisely what happens when you focus on growth over organically cultivating a healthy community.

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[–] Aimhere@midwest.social 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lemmy is like every social medium since the dawn of time: a cross-section of humanity... the good, the bad, and the ugly.

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[–] GivingEuropeASpook@lemm.ee 65 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lmao this is the guy that first lead to them banning the communities right?

Love that lemmy.world seems to be making their moderation strategy based off of a troll with at least 4 alts....

[–] HaloMasyerChief@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Props to him for fooling an entire instance

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[–] flowerofanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What a fucking loser crying about intellectual property. Love live piracy and anarchy. Be gay do crime! 🏴 🏴‍☠️ 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️ yo ho ho 🦜 nikopirate custom emoji

[–] doctor_sociology@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago (13 children)

its actually amazing how internet culture went from this anarcho-utopianism where information just wants to be free, maaan to reddit style races to the normie bottom. who gives a shit about intellectual property other than bowtie spinning economist dickheads and the beltway lanyard class?

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[–] jsnc@lemmy.blahaj.zone 49 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Piracy of software is always moral in the face of proprietary software.

They have stolen so much from us that we have all right to revolt.

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[–] S13Ni@lemmy.studio 48 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I buy most of my content, steam mostly for games, have spotify, buy music from bandcamp for DJ sets, at least my favorites, have family netflix, HBO, disney +, although I don't use those as much since they are mostly full of crap. Sometimes I even buy/rent a movie if it is not available in those and I can't find any torrent, or just out of convenience. I produce music and buy all my audio software (ableton and fuckton of plugins) because I don't want to deal with the hassle of using pirated versions. I buy ebooks every now and then too, although with that I also admittely pirate some, especially when the author is dead, in which case I really don't feel any guilt for pirating it. I also use patreon often and support creators that way.

I still think piracy needs to be an option, so streaming services can't have their way and we are just forced to use their enshittified platforms. I avoid it, because I understand not everything can be open source, and nothing get's done without revenue. I don't pirate from small authors/creators.

All the while musicians get basically fucking nothing from huge streaming services profiting from their labor. Series get cancelled left and right despite good reception because they were not profitable enough, although still profitable, because netflix is only interested making next big hit. Games are filled with microtransactions and kernel level tracking (anti cheat), forced online features in single player game and sometimes games one bought are just made unavailable, like with old mobile games (case in point, dead space mobile). Professional software is often moved to predatory subscription models and paywalled updates to the software, like Avid, Waves.

And people still cirlejerk about piracy being the worst thing to intellectual property ever. Problem isn't piracy, problem is small creators are payed so little from listens/views/whatever that the can barely get by, and have to make alternate source of income via patreon or some other stuff. Piracy won't even make a dent in that.

Luckily in every category some people/companies are pushing back but all of this is just case in point why we need piracy. When I get around releasing music/games, I don't mind piracy at all, might even put my own tunes on pirate sites out of spite. Current intellectual property laws are fucking joke and only benefit the largest creators in their respective fields.

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[–] nerrad@lemmy.ml 47 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Ah, reading these comments make me feel like I'm back on Reddit.

[–] Artaca@lemdro.id 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yup. Folks looking for stuff to be salty about. Those admins were protecting their hides and had every right to do so. Hosting carries risks. What could have been handled better was communicating this (a day or three beforehand + not on Discord lmao). The people acting like this is some sort of unforgivable problem are just being dorks. Don't like it? Pop onto a new instance. It's easy and is a perfect example as to why Lemmy is great.

Edit: Worth mentioning that the piracy community is among the most active groups on the entire platform. As a viable alternative to reddit, I don't think piracy being the face of Lemmy is a great look. Newcomers may start on LW and never need or want this community. Those who want it WILL find it.

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I've even been seeing the old "could you kindly (deliberately obtuse bad-faith request to "prove" something "objectively" where any evidence given is a "biased" source or "has a narrative")" sea lioning tactic. They even do the smug "I'll wait" follow-up line. smuglord

One even asked me to objectively prove that they were sea lioning and threw a slang dictionary at me (that for some reason only included a weird and obscure "stalker" definition and not the bad faith evidence demands) in a way that was sea lioning the idea of sea lioning. berdly-smug

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[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 43 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)

I think people who are pro-piracy tend to be a little dogmatic in the wrong direction, refusing to exercise their imagination or contemplate situations where people can be legitimately hurt financially or otherwise by their actions. However, most of the arguments are pretty sound, and I can’t imagine working that hard making new accounts just to argue in favor of movie/record studios that have exploited artists for as long as they have existed.

The “filthy” line was just funny to me lol

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[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 39 points 2 years ago

Sounds a like a fucking corpo plant.

[–] BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

It just looks like some Lemmy users are falling for an obvious troll.

[–] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

the lemmy.world admins specifically fell for it, since they did block this community.

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[–] Gsus4@feddit.nl 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Still, one of the key aspects of piracy is discreteness and these debates and notoriety don't help with that. Piracy does not look for you, you look for it, if you know how to find out how. The last thing I want is for every single Lemmy thread about netflix to have a top comment saying piracy is better than streaming.

[–] Elon_Musk@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

piracy is better than streaming

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[–] Cedarwood@lemmy.sdf.org 36 points 2 years ago (16 children)

Neat! Deeply ineffective communication! Starting to feel more like reddit by the day!

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[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Fuck intellectual property, all my friends hate the intellectual property

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[–] razrabotka@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Gonna commit copyright infringement later, just to spite this poor man even more

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I’m infringing copyright as I type this

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago

Bungiefan

These days, a more obscure toxic fandom, but still one with quite a history of Disney-tier "anything the treat maker does is objectively justified and any criticism threatens the flow of additional treats and must be raged at" takes. yea

[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 31 points 2 years ago (3 children)

They look like they are having fun on line:

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[–] Sused@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 2 years ago

Obvious troll is obvious

[–] Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Them defederating piracy communities was the nail in the coffin for me, just deleted account.

First was some weird shit about a porn community with petite girls and how it invites pedophiles. Even though that one doesn't affect me, it's still like uhhhhh, petite women exist......

Now this piracy shit. It's like they're pushing their morals and "concerns" onto every member without consent. Reddit still has piracy and petite subreddits, which paints somewhat of a picture of how non issue they are.

Hopefully shitjustworks is fast, stable, and doesn't pull that shit.

[–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 years ago (5 children)

To be fair, the petite girl controversy thing was the lemmy.blahaj.zone admin being a weird tyrant, not lemmy.world. Unless they did the same thing at LW lol. Thus far shitjustworks has been reliable and unobtrusive for me.

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[–] Carion@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Most pirates doesn't use the product if pirated version isn't avaliable, they aren't a costumer, blocking piracy is actually a bad marketing decision, people can build hype even if they aren't paying. No significant revenue is actually lost for piracy

[–] rab@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Piracy also kept the music industry afloat before Spotify and whatever

It's free advertising and costs nothing to the artist

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[–] Cris_Color@lemm.ee 26 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I genuinely do understand concerns about legal issues and the risk of facilitating illegal activities- but its not even hosted on their instance, why would it mater that the communities EXIST. They're literally hosted by someone else...?

[–] CapillaryUpgrade@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 2 years ago (13 children)

But it is hosted on your home server.

When you subscribe to a community, your home server downloads the content and passes it on to you.

This is not like when The Pirate Bay was allowed to live because it only hosted torrent files and not copyrighted content, in the fediverse, you copy the content to your own server, and pass it on to the client/user, which means hosting the content.

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[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Bro I'm still jittery from hating on spez.. all I had to see were some of the comments lemmy.world mods and admin made and it was fucking easy as piss to move instances.

Not getting rid of my old account tho, they can continue to host everything I posted.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 28 points 2 years ago (8 children)

It's a bit more nuanced than that. Their servers are based in the EU and therefore a rather easy target for copyright lawsuits, and they have neither unlimited funds nor the manpower to fight them off (even if the allegations are completely unfounded, you need a lawyer to refute them, and lawyers charge actual money).

Sometimes it's easier to focus on your strengths than fighting the good fight on all fronts and go down swinging.

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[–] Madex@lemm.ee 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've migrated to another instance because of this and their uptime

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[–] 018118055@sopuli.xyz 20 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I wish them luck in their quixotic quest to police the entire lemmyverse

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[–] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago

I claim user name of Bungiefan. I came up with it, so it's mine. All posts made under that user name are now my intellectual property.

[–] BlahajEnjoyer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

that’s just a troll, downvote and move on

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