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[–] twistedtxb@lemmy.ca 156 points 2 years ago (11 children)

The fact that wine and beer bottles are exempt from those Nutrition Facts labels is utter nonsense.

If people knew how much sugar and calories are in their drink maybe they would think twice

[–] Rusty@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There are nutrition labels on alcohol in Europe, but people there drink as much as here.

[–] Blaidd@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Europe drinks way more alcohol than North America

Excerpt from the article:

If you feel that Europeans drink a lot, your hunch is correct: people across the continent consume more alcohol than in any other part of the world. Each year in Europe, every person aged 15 and over consumes, on average, 9.5 litres of pure alcohol, which is equivalent to around 190 litres of beer, 80 litres of wine or 24 litres of spirits. That’s according to the 2021 European health report by the World Health Organization (WHO).

[–] cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

24 litres of spirits is about 4 bottles of whiskey or vodka every 3 weeks.

That does seem like a lot to me.

[–] hobovision@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In beer form, it's a bout a pint per day. Not too bad actually. I probably average close to that, since I'll have a can of beer most nights, and a few pints and/or cocktails on weekends.

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[–] theKalash@feddit.ch 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yup, just checked my beer. Lists ingredients and calories. In 2 langauges!

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The cans of beer that I buy have ingredients and nutrition info like a soda can does.

Haven't seen any on liquor bottles though.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 2 years ago

The fact that wine and beer bottles are exempt from those Nutrition Facts labels is utter nonsense.

I did not know that. That is nuts.

[–] salton@reddthat.com 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not having to list ingredients is a real pain if you have uncommon food allergies.

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[–] elxeno@lemm.ee 60 points 2 years ago
[–] tellah@sh.itjust.works 58 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

Meanwhile cannabis beverages are required to have:

-Nutrition facts including calories, sugar, etc.

-Gigantic yellow warning with random health warning (e.g., don't use if pregnant)

-Huge red stop sign cannabis leaf logo

-KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN

-Big pain in the ass plastic childproof thing

None of these required on a can of beer.

From a harm reduction perspective, it's a massive failure. Many cannabis beverages have very low nearly zero calories, sugar-free. For your physical health they are almost certainly less harmful than alcohol and I know many people would enjoy them as an alternative to alcohol.

We have faced a similar failure in harm reduction strategy regarding vaping versus tobacco. I think in both cases it's a result of vested interests (tax revenue, lobbying, don't know) trumping what is best for people.

[–] bl4ckblooc@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (9 children)

The way Canada has handled cannabis legalization is embarrassing.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

We're still ahead of the people who haven't legalised it or even criminalise it, though.

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[–] jcrm@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

To who? Because we're still the only country with it fully legalized for recreational use. I fail to see how that's embarrassing at all.

We used to have weird rules on alcohol too, and just like those, cannabis rules have been getting better as time has gone on. You can't expect a world first system to be perfect right out of the gate.

[–] DagonPie@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yeah federally across the whole country? Sounds terrible.

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[–] polle@feddit.de 44 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I would like a ban on advertising, too.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'd like a ban on all forms of advertising.

Marketing is nothing more than getting people to buy stuff they do not need.

It is the reason we live in a consumer culture, and is the force behind some of the biggest problems humanity faces today.

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[–] worstcatintheworld@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago

I think alcohol advertising will eventually be banned but it'll take a long time. Governments are addicted to the revenues.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because it would be weird reading that smoking alcohol is dangerous for pregnant women.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago

This damn nanny state is out of control! /s

[–] thefattman@beehaw.org 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Because alchol sellers aren't widely considered as flat out evil as cigarette makers, meaning that they can still realistically grease the wheels of power with dump trucks full of money.

I'm sure cigarette makers would love to the do the same thing, but no politician is dumb enough to risk taking "campaign contributions" from people who are widely considered to be the scum of the earth. Alcohol makers still have a level of respectability that lets them get away with it.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago

no politician is dumb enough to risk taking “campaign contributions” from people who are widely considered to be the scum of the earth.

And yet they'll accept campaign assistance from foreign and domestic oil companies:

https://canadians.org/analysis/when-big-oil-intervenes-canadian-politics-it-does-so-foreign-money-and-huge-scale/

https://canadians.org/media/new-report-reveals-pervasive-influence-big-foreign-oil-canadian-politics/

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[–] Sim@lemmy.nz 15 points 2 years ago (7 children)

And sugar. Off topic a bit, but my addiction is sugar and some reminders might make the occasional difference.

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[–] LakesLem@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Not really equivalent. Smoking permanently leaves all kind of nasty shit in your lungs and causes cancer. Also very addictive, making moderation physically difficult (alcohol can also be addictive but not to the same extremes). Alcohol in moderation isn't really an issue. Pushing it more can give your liver a bad time, but as long as you give it a break before the point of disease it can bounce right back.

There is a societal problem especially in the UK in that it's seen as a sort of matter of pride to throw moderation out of the window and get as wasted as possible, but I have my doubts that graphic health warnings will do much about that. Either way it's more an effect of society ignoring and sometimes even shaming moderation (how many times have you been shamed for going home before you fall over on a work's night out) than the alcohol itself.

[–] ZC3rr0r@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago

I wholly agree with the author of this article, but implementing something like this will meet a lot of resistance. Let's not forget that cigarettes are a relatively new phenomenon, whereas alcohol is something we've consumed as a species since prehistoric times. There are a lot of cultural, social, and historical ties to the use of alcohol that people won't let go easily and will make any attempt to reduce alcohol consumption an uphill battle.

[–] fades@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Alcohol is a literal fucking toxin

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[–] Pat@kbin.run 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I always thought the hypocrisy between alcohol and cannabis packaging is ridiculous. If cigarettes and cannabis need to be heavily restricted in terms of having simple, plain packaging with health warnings, anything for sale that can cause health issues should be subject to the same restrictions.

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Or to the leading cause of death of Canadians: dietary cholesterol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY0UY3FwoW4

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/William-Roberts-14/publication/23313863_The_Cause_of_Atherosclerosis/links/551477890cf283ee08364f81/The-Cause-of-Atherosclerosis.pdf

The leading cause of death of Canadians can be eliminated strictly through diet and avoiding animal products that contain cholesterol. And yet we pour millions of dollars into research each year for cutting edge new drugs that give you (so claimed) a 20% reduction in heart attacks, while having dozens of unwanted side effects.

If you're relying on the government and industry to teach you how to be healthy and to provide the tools you need to do it, you're going to die young.

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[–] KiloGex@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

“I don’t want to say that there are necessarily equivalent health risks,”

I mean, they said it themselves. Drinking responsibly and in moderation poses no recorded long-term health risks. But even 1 cigarette a day can cause serious harm.

Not quite. Even the accepted amount poses increased threats to being diagnosed with cancer (it is a carcinogen at the end of the day): https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/alcohols-effects-body

It is incredibly worse with breast cancer too.

"Evidence is consistent that intake, even intake of less than 10-15 grams per day, is associated with increased risk of this disease"

https://arcr.niaaa.nih.gov/volume/40/2/alcohols-effects-breast-cancer-women

[–] jon@lemdro.id 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago

Because the alcohol industry is still profitable enough for special treatment.

[–] Dearche@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Alcohol is a massive tax revenue in pretty much everywhere in the world, but especially here in Canada. It's pretty obvious when you see the difference in price of a beer here compared to the states, as 90% of that difference is purely taxes. Hell, you can tell the difference between the beer/wine costs in Ontario vs in Quebec. There's a reason why people in Ottawa and Gatineau constantly cross the boarder to buy their poison of choice.

That said, there's also the fact that when the States tried to ban it, they basically created some of the richest criminals in the world in like a single year. Alcohol is so ingrained into modern society that people riot over it.

Tobacco is a comfort luxury that pretty much anybody can get off of with some effort. Alcohol is a crutch that far too many people use to avoid going to some pretty dark places.

[–] Sodis@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Alcohol is a crutch that far too many people use to avoid going to some pretty dark places.

You could also argue, that alcohol leads to these pretty dark places in the first place. If your coping mechanism with problems in your life is to drink them away, well, that won't work in the long run.

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