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In advance, this is NOT a complain, but just myself looking for some opinions, views and experiences around this topic. Also, the screenshot is marked as NSFW because it contains language that might be sensible for some people (and that's also present one time in the post itself).

I'll start it short: I've just been banned for 14 days from the memes community on the official Lemmy instance (!memes@lemmy.ml).

Why?

Apparently, just critizicing chinese state and authoritarism in front of some China's authoritarism deniers (and, maybe, some CCP infiltrators [I have to I must clarify that the latter is just my speculation, but the possibility is not zero and does not seem low, and as a hypothesis I think it is sufficiently solid]), it seems like pointing up chinese's government authoritarian character is sinophobia and "not being sufficiently polite" (as it shows in their modlog).

Censorship and FLOSS

This raises me a concern. I can't say that happens in all of Lemmy.ml communities or that's anything that they are condoning that; I understand that they give autonomy to the moderators of each community and everything else, and I also do not want to attack the moderators of that community with this, or anything similar. But, seeing that I have already seen several similar cases being reported throughout the Threadiverse, and that the majority of the Fediverse tends to the left (which is not necessarily bad either, I myself am center-left), I have noticed a growing radicalization and a growing polarization within the Fediverse, and that worries me because that was exactly one of the things that attracted me to it, outside of the obvious fact that it is Free, not proprietary like shit in Silicon Valley.

And with that, I increasingly notice a greater spiral of silence here. I've been lurking on Lemmy for quite some time, but I only recently created my account on Disroot when I felt ready to start socializing and I felt like I understood the fediquette well enough, but being banned for not thinking the same as the rest of the pro-Chinese people there doesn't give me a good taste in my mouth; It doesn't bother me so much that they insult me ​​(in fact, they can do it all they want, I'll just laugh in their faces and move on xD) and that they don't let me express myself freely, especially when I live in a country where freedom of expression is a luxury and there is a humanitarian crisis of hundreds, perhaps even thousands, of political prisoners and tens of thousands of deaths for precisely that reason.

I really can't say that they want to censor me since it is one of my first interventions there and it is the first time they have banned me, it would be drawing conclusions too hastily, but I am still worried about this ideological homogenization. Mainly due to the asymmetrical application of that rule, since I never insulted or denigrated anyone and they constantly did. Probably the only failure that would justify a ban is the fact that I wished the death of all the politicians and governments in the world, but it is difficult not to do so when my country is hell on Earth and I can barely trust in any of them. What raises my concern more than anything is the fact that they do it without even having notified me beforehand (really, I never received a notification where they warned me, or any warning, or anything like that, and I have moderator notifications activated by all means in my client, not a message, nothing like that), which makes me feel very arbitrary, especially when they only vaguely mention "Rule 1" in the moderation logs.

I would like to know what you think; Is it just my paranoia and trauma, or is there really a culture of conformism that tends to silence ideas that are foreign to their ideological views, creating a spiral of silence?

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[–] Fedegenerate@fedinsfw.app 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (10 children)

There is no freedom of speech on Lemmy. There should be no expectation of free speech on Lemmy. Your comment is going to be hosted on someone else's hardware. They should have the freedom to choose what they host on their hardware.

Admins/mods can ban you. Other users can block you. You are not entitled to anyone's attention,or resources.

So, solutions.

Find instances/communities tolerant of your speech.

Host your own instance, and use your own hardware that you control. Decide whether you will allow Tankies/Nazis/Zionist/Anti-Semites to use your hardware, be thankful you have the controls to kick them. Be featured in a post just like yours on how you're banning stuff you don't want on your hardware.

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

There is no “official” Lemmy instance. Five years ago: What is Lemmy.ml?

Recently there seems to be some of misunderstanding what the lemmy.ml instance is about, especially from newer users.

Lemmy.ml has always been a niche site, and it will most likely stay this way. We don’t have any intentions to turn it into a mainstream instance, or set a goal of getting as many users as possible. Our goal is simple: make an instance that people like to use. I would say that we have been successful in this, but obviously it is impossible to satisfy everyone.

The reason for this is that @dessalines and I are paid to develop Lemmy, while donations from lemmy.ml users only make up a negligible part of our income. Besides, having more users would force us to spend more time moderating, and less time for development. Lemmy works quite differently from big tech sites like Reddit in this regard: while they get more money with each extra user through advertising, for us it is the opposite. So we would much rather have a smaller, non-toxic, and friendly userbase, than a large one.

Part of the problem might be that lemmy.ml is described as “flagship instance”, which can certainly be interpreted to mean “mainstream” or “general purpose”. I struggle to come up with a better, more accurate description. If you can think of one, please comment here.

If you dont like the way lemmy.ml works, thats okay. Federation exists exactly to solve that problem, let different groups have their own instances, with their own rules and political views. You can see the list of existing instances, and instructions for setting up a new one on join-lemmy.org.

In particular, I would like to see someone (or a group of people) create a mainstream, or liberal instance. That should help to avoid further drama, and avoid attempts to turn lemmy.ml into something that it is not. @dessalines and I would certainly be willing to help with any technical problems that such an instance runs into, and include it on join-lemmy.org (just like any other instance that meets the code of conduct).

Edit to add: The modlog of your main account: https://scribe.disroot.org/modlog?userId=12363563

Anyways, better reading that statement, it seens kinda fair.

Copypaste from another comment:

Yes, I only called them that way as a saying, and because in practice they operate as a de facto one, similar to how mastodon.social holds the title in Mastodon.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 18 points 5 days ago

.ml that's your problem.

Not a single blade of grass touched between the entire lot of them.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 5 days ago

Classic ml. They're just CCP MAGA over there. Way better at reading than maga, but completely unable to self reflect or see through their own propaganda.

[–] PlanchettePhantom@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I'm actually communist and got banned from there, too (on another account I had).

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 3 points 4 days ago

That's extremely common actually. Check out slrpnk.net for actual communists.

Tankies are alternative left, closer to American MAGA than to actual communism.

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[–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oof, that's a bit too much... 🫨

[–] PlanchettePhantom@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Yeah, I'm communist and don't support China or the USSR. One of the main differences is that I'm an anarcho-communist, not an authoritarian communist. Not to mention, China still has sone capitalism to undo.

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There’s an “official” Lemmy instance?

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Not exactly but Lemmy.ml is run by the devs so it's quasi-official. When I first joined you virtually had to participate with Lemmy.ml because most of the communities were there. Thankfully now there is more diversity and you can avoid it without missing out on too much.

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Calling .ml the “Official” instance is a disservice in my opinion.

[–] Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 4 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Yes, I only called them that way as a saying, and because in practice they operate as a de facto one, similar to how mastodon.social holds the title in Mastodon.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

There may be a broader discussion to be had here about censorship on Lemmy and perhaps the internet as a whole. But I will say that Lemmy.ml is the worst and most censorious instance most people are likely to encounter. Just don't visit their communities and you'll reduce this issue by a good 90% already.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 3 points 4 days ago

I've seen many such posts over the years - the vast majority tend to get removed quickly.

Isn't it ironic.

[–] Zonetrooper@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

In a way, I'm a little sorry that the actual situation ended up being ".ml gonna .ml", because I do think there needs to be a talk about how we (that is, the Fediverse) approach political discussion and censorship overall. Not that this makes the actual answer here any less valid, but I'm sorry that bigger talk isn't happening.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I just wasn't sure if OP was wanting to have that conversation or just talk about .ml specifically. And also I wasn't sure I had the energy for the bigger topic as it's complex, contentious, and I don't feel totally confident of my viewpoints either.

[–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Yes, I was thinking about the broader discussion; targeting more .ml because that is where it is most visible, but it is not as if it does not happen in other instances or even in other Fediverse spaces; I had to go to fsebugout, poast and veenus.art on Pleroma for the same thing, and I'm doing pretty much the same thing on Fediverse in general. It's a shame how it's evolving, even if in theory you can just migrate to another instance or create your own, it won't actually be a solution if everyone defederates from your instance and then you isolate yourself, because that will create another echo chamber on your side; That's how 4chan started and that's how any tabloid starts.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 3 points 4 days ago

Your comment is relevant, but if carried to the extreme touches on whataboutism. Lemmy.ml may only be the most visible example, but it still serves as a model for others that want to be like it to follow.

It is also relevant how the codebase itself reflects the values of the devs: moderator reports do not federate until the upcoming v1.0 (Lemmy works on their flagship instance, hence the functionality of the wider Threadiverse is a lower priority), notifications are not sent to the user that they have even been banned or had their content removed (authoritarian-style, where the rights of the end user are insignificant compared to that of the instance owner), there is no ability to appeal such a decision (even Reddit offered multiple routes of communication - modmail for one, mail to Reddit admins for another). Lemmy is in some ways even more highly authoritarian than Reddit!!

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[–] hypnicjerk@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

point of order: tankies are no more "left" than russia and china are

[–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, almost forgot, this is their first rule: "Be civil and nice." Just that:

[–] KombatWombat@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They might be referring to the lemmy.ml instance rules:

Rules

  1. No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.
  2. Be respectful, especially when disagreeing. Everyone should feel welcome here.
  3. No porn.
  4. No Ads / Spamming.

Of course, general criticism towards the governments of China/Russia shouldn't actually fall under that either, but pretending it's racist/xenophobic makes it seem more valid than just saying you were being mean. The Winnie the Pooh thing especially seems to be a trigger over there.

[–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yes, and it's not like I was saying anything false, Xi Jing Ping is known for being very egomaniacal and having a brutal image cult around him, and the reason he banned it (Winnie the Pooh) was because he was constantly compared to poor Pooh (who did nothing to deserve such a comparison) and he saw it as a direct affront to his authority. 1984 literally. Just like my country, which is an ideological and political ally of yours (or was, I don't know now that Delcys and Trump started playing at being little friends).

On top of that, it's not like I'm saying "the Chinese should die", and in fact on the contrary, I feel genuinely outraged by how they live, because it reminds me a lot of how we live in my country. But for them it is seen that anything that does not support their fantasy of a Chinese utopia is too dangerous.

A real shame.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They decided that Winnie the Pooh comparisons are racist because of Pooh's yellow fur, as well as the rest of the original meme comparing Obama to Tigger (which is also racist since Tigger rhymes with "nigger"). Hence they consider it a rule 1 violation.

It's a very narrow view of the meme, ignoring all other reasons why the comparison was made. The supposed "racism" towards Xi seems hard to argue for when it was Chinese netizens making the meme in the first place.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What started as am adorable meme on Chinese social media was twisted on Western social media into a racist trope. There aren’t, conversely, mean-spirited Tigger memes on Chinese social media.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago

I honestly haven't seen a Tigger meme on western social media either, only the meme regarding Xi. Regardless, the Winnie the Pooh memes were banned on Chinese social media, so ultimately the CCP did not consider it very adorable.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

block the community and use another one. thats how I do it.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I find it easier to block the entire instance - so very many of the most batshit insane comments tend to come from there (or hexhear or lemmygrad) that eventually I just gave up on it altogether.

I am much happier on the Threadiverse as a result of that decision.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Problem with blocking the instance is it blocks both communities and users. I wish they would make it so when blocking instances you could choose users or communities or both. My only use case for instance blocking is honestly to block things that are to big so I can catch thing on smaller communities. I have a pretty high threshold though I think so by the time I might block an instance it gets defederated or something.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 4 days ago

I recall when it used to block only users but not communities. It was quite odd as the posts were mostly empty of comments. Remember that someone responding to a comment is still filtered if the parent is filtered, including the OP themselves, so it only showed content where a non-ML user posted to those ML community and then under those it would show only non-ML users commenting on that and then responding to those comments. So... usually quite empty.

For me that's a feature not a bug to block the users. You don't even need an account to read content on the Threadiverse - posts, comments, do searches, etc. - and I can read any of that anytime I want. But I don't need it being platformed and highlighted in my feed - there's enough spam posts there already with like zero to one comments (I wish the default Hot filter would work a bit differently than it does).

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