Update first, then upgrade
this post was submitted on 07 Jun 2026
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Good catch. Havenβt been using apt in some time.
sudo pacman -Syu
yay
which yay
yay: aliased to paru
Is it even apt-get still? thought they changed over to apt long ago and apt-get is just a symlink for legacy reasons.
At least that's what I last read... (speaking as someone also loving candy) .
apt is a wrapper over the apt- binaries (apt-search apt-cache etc).
apt is meant more for user interaction and apt-get is more stable and more for scripting. But apt-get is often used in online tutorials because it doesn't really change.
I think it wasn't for APT but I once worked for a business with a lot of RHEL, the script that was updating hundreds of servers was using the user wrapper instead of the binaries. A warning was displayed in the script to warn not to use the wrapper for scripts.
I warned my team leader of the issue and was completely ignored and was said that it was an issue for the team that made the script in the first place.
I gave up.
A few weeks later, the poorly designed script botched a major update on hundred of servers because the wrapper had a tiny change and the update script didn't handle it well.
It's insane to me how much money a business can waste for stupid shit like that. The devs warned us not to use their wrapper to script on, the linux team did it anyway, my warning was ignored, many hours of engineers work was wasted fixing the chaos that ensued.
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It runs so much faster if you do upgrade first \s
Update before upgrade you nonce
Cβmon, itβs Debian! Obsolete anyway. Update today, upgrade in a week, not like things gonna change. Perhaps the man forgot the upgrade a week ago, upgraded, and then decided to double-check thereβs nothing new anyway. Right?
No, no. You gotta update last to let them marinate for a while before you upgrade. If you upgrade too fast it just doesn't taste the same.
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I just want to share that last semester, the Windows podium computer we used decided randomly to update during a student presentation. It did not help their nerves, but I did turn it into a chance to evangelize Linux.
And no, they can't use their own laptop, the connections to the podium computer, and thus the projector, use VGA...
Not that it matters much but isn't there cheap adapters to/from VGA?
Yes but it's generally easier and less prone to issues to just open their PowerPoint (or really, Google sheets) on the podium since I'm already using it. I'm sure the admin uses adapters as their excuse not to update the hardware though... (even if they are still using Win 11 on decades old computers).
Honestly, I would prefer if a video projector wasn't tossed as garbage if you can just buy a cheap adapter and put it in a box next to the podium.
We have enough electronic waste as it is!
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Linux noob here. Just upgraded hardware and reinstalled Windows and Linux on the gaming computers and even though I'm a complete Linux beginner, 9 out of 10 software issues were with windows! I couldn't believe a gazzilion dollar company with thousands of employees still couldn't get it right?
I reinstalled Windows 11 a while ago because of a software I struggled to get working on Linux (the adobe installer patches for WINE have since resolved that) and I had no idea how annoying the installation process is. You had to babysit it, and tell it your life's story. Not to mention the amount of times it asked me to sign up for MS 365 and OneDrive. In the end, it enabled OneDrive anyway, despite me telling it to sod off at least half a dozen times.
And that's just the install process. Using it is another beast entirely. Why do I need to accept a UAC prompt just to open a browser? Why does the browser need to update itself every time I boot the OS?
Why do I have to hunt all over the internet for basic stuff that should come with the OS itself? Even when I used an NVidia card I didn't have to faff around with some stupid third party software to handle drivers, it was just there. Sure it broke all the time because NVidia is a garbage company, but it was right there!
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Didn't know we were still doing apt-get
I have a lot to learn
iirc, apt-get is the version to use in scripts. They keep the input & output consistent so that it won't break things.
Regular old apt is for humans to use at the command prompt, and that's what I use all the time.
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Or if you're me, yay -Syu and wait 4 fucking hours (Because you barely ever remember to do it).
Just yay would suffice
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"Fun" fact: Windows is finally just now, in the year of our lord 2026, trying to release some updates as "live". As in not requiring reboot.
It's going better than you'd expect, but still far worse than they have any excuse for.
thats only if it actually downloads and installs. our enterprise windows installs like to take 5-10 attempts to actually get the software onto the computer. "Install failed. retry?"
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You misspelled pacman -Syu
No, you misspelled zypper dup. But with enough time, you'll get there.
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KDE Plasma recommends applying updates at reboot like Windows for stability. In fact, that is how it does them by default
KDE Plasma does what I tell it to
Sure, what I'm saying is the "windows way" of applying updates isn't bad and there's a reason why they do it
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For those who are confident in their system setup
sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y && sudo apt autoremove -y
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It's the other way around, but yes, very much yes
Aaaand... you're on Debian, so Blender 4.0 just got added to the testing branch. (Blender 4.0 still haven't been tested for 168 hours of continuous running without touching it)
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As someone who works on Windows daily... this is so true. One of the things that really annoys me with Windows is being able to reliably do updates. Running any of the update stuff, seems more like a suggestion and if Windows deems your request worthy, it might SLOWLY do something.
On Fedora live update is turned of by default with a warning saying updating without rebooting is not recommended. As a cautious noob, I left it as is. Too cautious?
Yeah, rebooting just makes sure that everything is using the new updated packages, so if you update then reboot you'll be golden
No. Fedora sometimes updates configs or packages (e.g. kernel) that require a reboot to take advantage of. If you're a linux veteran you can decide by yourself if or if not you need to reboot. But fedora wants to have a stable and smooth experience for all its users.
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In Windows it would be
winget upgrade -all
I'm pretty sure.
Winget update --all
But yes, this updates any packages distributed by Ms store and winget repos. As an IT professional, I love winget.
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Every single time Iβve run upgrade on Debian, Iβve bricked my install. Iβm sure Iβm doing something wrong π
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dnf update
apt has the added irk of being split into update/upgrade plus apt-get for scripts.
And the default apt search sucks lol
Apt-get is unnecessary nowadays, just use apt, especially for simple commands like this.
choco upgrade all
Not a built-in, of course, but chocolatey gets you Linux-like package manager behavior on Windows. With it you can run headless software installs and automatically update software. It's great for remote/VM management.
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