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In 'The Three Body Problem', we see a prominent scholar and professor being publicly beaten by the communist party for not denying God's existence. He goes on to say that 'Science hasn't provided any definitive answer'. So I'm curious, .

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[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 1 points 3 hours ago

You need to define what you mean by "god" first. Which god? What are its qualities? What are its falsification criteria?

You can't just say, "What does science have to say," because it's not a singular question about a singular being.

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 hours ago

A definitive answer is impossible unless God makes itself known. There is no evidence for god and thus no scientific answer. God is a belief, belief is not scientific.

[–] 7uWqKj@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago

Since you’re asking science: The scientific method needs to be used to prove, not disprove, the existence of things.

[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 12 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I recommend a web search for the "god of the gaps" fallacy. You have discovered a 300+ year old concept.

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago

what actual real evidence exists for a god?

the bible doesnt count as evidence.

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Astronut@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Well I would think the god that makes the most money off of ignorant sonsabitches and the catholic god certainly wins that shit!

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Using science to explain God is like using breakdancing to explain engineering.

[–] medem@lemmy.wtf 0 points 8 hours ago

...what started off as a legitimate question has now become an extremely interesting (and amusing) social experiment. Keep the nonsensical, non-scientific answers coming, folks.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago

There are zero "gods". Any and all are fantasy created by humans.

Stop trying to figure it out.

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world -1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

There is one interesting connection that I have found.

In 1999, researchers in New York fired very powerful lasers at each other. When they intersected, they caused an electron and a positron to spring out of the vacuum.

If light can cause the creation of matter, then there's the possibility, however slim, that a hermit sitting on a hill blazed out of his gourd on some divine bush could have been given some sort of insight that perhaps he was linguistically incapable of accurately communicating.

I'm not saying that this definitively proves anything. I just find it interesting that a hermit on a hill 7,000 years ago could have somehow deduced in any way that light was one of the fundamental particles of the universe, or that matter could be made from light.

[–] Pegajace@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I think you’re giving Genesis more credit than it deserves. It doesn’t say God used light to create anything. In most translations, it just says God created the Heavens and the Earth without specifying how. It says at first the Earth was dark and formless, until God commanded light to exist, creating day and night and evening and morning.

I’d be much more impressed if Genesis told us that the entire universe was compacted into a hot dense state ~14 billion years ago, and that during its earliest moments it passed through a decoupling of the four fundamental forces, then went through a brief moment of incredibly rapid expansion, etc. etc. … but it doesn’t. Instead it incorrectly states that the Earth predates the stars, that day and night predate the Sun, that life on land predates life in the seas, and more. If a divine entity was capable of relating the origin of the universe and life on Earth to an ancient author, there’s no reason it couldn’t do so in a way that’s unambiguous to modern scientifically-literate readers.

I think it’s far more likely there’s no connection at all, and people only see one there because they specifically went and tried their hardest to find one, no matter how tenuous.

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Okay, but the question I am being asked is what are the most convincing arguments for their being a god?

And my response is, is that science has redone a thing that God was claimed to have done, and it created matter.

If you are not a biblical literalist, if you can accept the idea that the Bible is correct, but not flawless in its data communication, then it has at least the tiniest little spider's web strand of reason that says that the hermit Moses, seven-odd-thousand years ago, received some sort of divine revelation that contained information that was later proven to be scientifically true, which lends at the very least a mote of dust worth of credence to the existence of God.

[–] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I’m an atheist, but my argument for a god of some sort is that we probably don’t exist out of nothingness

[–] musicalphysics@discuss.online 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yes but that generally just shifts the questions one layer lower. Where would God come from then? I know the typical answer is God has always existed but if God doesn’t need a reason to exist then really the universe doesn’t either.

[–] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

We can’t know, so I don’t bother asking

[–] reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Saw a video the other day that compared Norse mythology with Christianity. It painted an eerily striking argument for the God worshiped now likely being either Loki or Balder. The garden of Eden and Apple stuff is almost copy/paste the way he put it.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 2 points 3 hours ago

The God of Christianity is most likely a Canaanite god of the forge who was among other gods, including El and Ashura.

Gods of the forge were often also war gods (swords and armor come from forges), and we see evidence of the ancient Israelites making war with their neighbors on a frequent basis. It follows that Yahweh would therefore rise in cultural importance, and it would eventually assume the roles of its peers in the pantheon.

The early Biblical stories were likely adapted from existing Mesopotamian stories. The parallels between Norse mythology are interesting but not what the current historical consensus accepts.