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This is a well known experience for both men and women. There are many reddit threads about this as well.
Almost every human will treat someone sexually appealing much, much better. And for women, it's mostly about being thin, and for men, having a bit of muscles, being tall and having a confident personality.
Both men and women, but specially women, notice how they start to feel invisible in society in their 40s or 50s because they lose their attractive surface. People treat them very differently when they do.
If you have never been very attractive, it's not a big difference, but if you were, it's a massive difference. It's so big and noticable that it can cause depression.
But it's not in every culture. Eastern cultures are not as bad.
Eastern cultures are not as bad.
I know for at least China, Indonesia, Singapore and especially South Korea that being even a smidge above their idea of normal weight can get you completely shunned from society, and body ideals are quite strict among Japanese celebrities as well, far more than here.
So in which Eastern cultures is this not as bad?
for women, it’s mostly about being thin, and for men, having a bit of muscles, being tall and having a confident personality.
Tough luck, my fellow men. We need to work more on everything, not just plain lifting.
Well we are also stronger and more capable. Specially if humanity hits hard times, it's going to be men who gets us out of it. By sheer force if needed.
Be proud to be a man. Men built the entire world around us. Water, electricity, piping, housing... Everything.
Could be a combo of your weight loss catching somebody's fancy, but also you yourself may be exuding more happiness which they return with smiles.
No. People really treat you very different if you look good compared to looking bad or average. You have many millions of people who have this experience.
Many good looking people have a self obsessed personality but it doesn't matter for how strangers are attracted to them.
But they tend to smile more, and people return that.
I have the most off-putting personality imaginable and I still get a ton of attention from women because I'm tall. It just won't keep peoples attention more than a good personality will.
People can't be shallow! Mistreatment by others is because you're not being happy enough for them!
I'm stuck in the opposite situation right now. I spent my whole life being skinny-fit. That's thanks to undiagnosed ADHD, which kept me bursting at the seams with energy 24/7. I was always running everywhere, biking, canoeing, hiking, doing martial arts and gymnastics, climbing trees, buildings, etc. I had a natural 8-pack without ever going to the gym. I used to get lots of attention and compliments, and I would turn heads in public pretty frequently.
I never had a big head about my looks growing up. I never really noticed I was all that attractive, I just thought I was "normal." It wasn't until I started losing it that it really hit me.
I broke my leg in my late 20s. Motorcycle accident. It was pretty bad, and my job at the time (US military) rushed me to get back to work and back into the gym ASAP, which meant it didn't heal well. I've basically had leg pain ever since, which has severely restricted my physical activity and almost got me kicked out of the military. Both my legs were compromised; I spent several years walking with a cane before knee surgery finally got me back on my feet unassisted. But I'm still dealing with non-stop aches and pains.
Adding to that... I fell down the stairs in my 30s and messed up my back, so now I basically hurt all the time every time I try to move anywhere. I'm 100% Permanent & Total disabled, according to the VA. I can still walk normally and I don't look disabled if you meet me. But I'm basically in minor pain all the time, just from existing.
As a consequence, exercising has become an extreme challenge and I found myself gaining weight over the years of inactivity. I'm already 75 lbs heavier than my target weight and it's really showing in my gut and face. Swimming is pretty much the only exercise I can do with minimal pain, but I hate swimming. So motivating me to go to the pool has been near impossible and I'm just packing on the pounds now.
I've noticed that people don't give me much attention anymore. I haven't turned heads in public in almost a decade now and people don't go out of their way to help me anymore. Folks are more blunt and rude with me, which hurts because I've spent my life trying to foster positive and uplifting communication with everyone I meet.
Also, at 42 years old, I'm finally starting to show my age. On top of the weight gain, my hair is turning gray and receding, and I'm growing large quantities of unsightly hair everywhere else. People treat me like a tired old man now, not a young fit man. I'm having to come to terms with the fact that, even if I do get back in shape somehow, I'll never truly be attractive again. Now that I'm aware of what I once had, it's already gone. I dunno, maybe that's just part of my midlife crisis, but it's been one of my bigger struggles in recent years, having to adjust to a new me who doesn't reflect the me I see myself as. I feel trapped in an ugly body with weights tied to every limb. Every little bit of movement is a painful struggle and it's frustrating.
seems peoples attitude after covid changed for the worst in general too. military basically ruined your physical health by not allowing you to heal properly.
On top of the weight gain, my hair is turning gray and receding, and I’m growing large quantities of unsightly hair everywhere else.
Hair growing in unwanted places can just be shaved off. Laser removal might be an option, too.
Receding hairlines are pretty much preventable these days, the earlier you start the better (I learned about that a few years too late). If you care enough to do something about it, start with Finasteride ASAP. If you want to do more, add Minoxidil. If you want to do even more, treat the hair issue as a skin issue and act accordingly, i.e. read up on anti aging skincare and apply that to your scalp (spoiler: sunscreen is king, everything else is detail optimization).
About the graying: That is not necessarily bad, gray hair worn with confidence can be very attractive.
I've tried a handful of hair loss treatments over the past decade, but most of them have some really nasty side effects, all of which I experienced. In the end, I decided to just let my hair do its thing and hope I keep 70% of it like my dad.
My dad had a receding hairline, but at the end of his long life, most of his hair was still there. And I know that the balding gene comes from your mother's side of genetics, but everyone on my mom's side went fully bald by 30 and I still have most my hair into my 40s, so maybe I'll be lucky in that regard.
i have my moms balding gene, she started balding at around 40ish. but my dads hair dint get gray til his 60s. my hair has thinned out also i have generalized alopecia areata which makes my hair fall out.
I also find swimming super boring. I plan to do it more when I get older as it is as you said a good way to exercise without straining/pain.
Have you thought about getting some bone conducting waterproof headphones? You can load audio files onto them like music, podcasts or audio books.
They aren't that expensive anymore. I have shokz but other brands work fine too in my experience.
You can exercise in gym as you get older. All you need to do is have less weight and more reps. It gives the same results without wearing down joints.
For example, bench press 50kg 15 reps instead of 80kg 8 reps. As long as your muscles gets tired so you can't do more reps, they will grow.
I'll definitely look into that. Thanks for the recommendation!
Also thanks for sharing your story and good luck!
Shave your head. Join us. The bald life is great
is it time?

You know, I wanted to find and post this image myself but I was away at the time, and my phone screen is like 2 inches. Thank you for doing it instead 😅
The set up was too good to pass by. Thanks for the pitch.
One of us! One of us!
Biggest difference was at the doctor's office:
Fat me: Doctor, I've been shot!
Doctor: Have you tried losing weight? That's clearly the problem.
Thin me: Doctor, I've been shot!
Doctor: Well your bloodwork looks great, nothing to do here.

I've gotten to the realization that modern medicine just isn't there yet. Pretty sure I've got some weird inflammatory thing. But even if I do get diagnosed with something, odds are there's going to be nothing I can do about it aside from trying to stay active, not eat things that aggravate it, and stop taking so much random medicine to be comfortable (most things I take more are associated with developing dementia). I don't have the energy to spend all that time getting diagnosed with something there's no real treatment for. So I'm doing my best with the lifestyle recommendations for my symptoms and hoping it takes me on my feet.
I haven't been skinny since I was a child, so I can't relate. But it would feel very weird if people started noticing me more. I'd probably find it annoying, to be honest. Good job with the weight loss!
Welcome to pretty privilege, beautiful
Yes my friend the world is cruel and shallow, and your looks are a multiplier for all of your opportunities. Go forth and make people happy just by seeing you
I had the opposite experience. When I was younger and a very muscular 170 I did ok with women. When I got older and COVID closed my gym I put on a lot of weight, about 240 at my highest, but being older and having figured myself out a lot more I have fewer women turning heads on the street but women I actually talk to were FAR more interested in me.
People have their preferences and I’m sure more people prefer fit partners over not, but often the biggest factor in this change you’ve experienced might not be the weight loss itself, but the confidence it gave you.
Definitely. I started taking karate in 11th grade and went from almost 300lbs down to 200.
I became visible at that point. People noticed me and talked to me. When I went to college, girls were pursuing ME. It was all very new and strange to me, and I definitely missed some opportunities, just because I didn't always understand when people were flirting with me. It just wasn't anything I had experienced before.
I'm old and fat again, but I think being fit for a while taught me how to project "thin guy energy". Fat is not just a state of body, it's also a state of mind.
absolutely! I went from 378lbs to 190lbs in just over 2 years and everyone was way nicer. women, (and men), flirted with me. workers in stores offered to help me more often. I got a raise. everyone treated me differently. even long time friends wanted to hang out more often than normal. then life happened, I gained back up to 302lbs. once again, I'm invisible. people rarely talk to me other than just a "good morning". but, I'm back on keto and fasting so soon I'll be back to my former glory.
For those who lost weight, what was it like for you? Did people start treating you differently?
Yes, I immediately started noticing a change in people... as well as in myself (feeling more confident for the most stupid reason: the way people would look at me). Because the real trick is that it's not just 'them' being weird, it's us.
I had to reteach myself to behave like I used to but I kept on losing weight (not thin by any mean but not the obese dude I had been for so many years), because that was what I needed to do in order to preserve what remained of my health.
First off, congrats on shedding so much excess mass! Second off, ignore BMI, it is a shit metric.
I think the problem with BMI is when people misunderstand what it's for. Is not an "am I fat" tool. It's specifically about heart health and it's not used in isolation. The more mass you have (fat or muscle) the more your heart has to work. It's naive to ignore it just because the word "obese" has become an offensive term.
BMI is for population studies and not suitable for individual assessment.