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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 56 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Shitty politicians aside, the answers cannot be limited to "in a cell" vs "out of a cell". Unless we want to keep half of our population incarcerated indefinitely, we need to implement programs to help these folk not only reintegrate back into society but also be able to function socially and professionally within it.

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago

We certainly shouldn't keep half our population incarcerated indefinitely, but maybe half of the killers. The offender here had been serving a life sentence for a prior homicide.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Lately I feel more and more like humanity needs to seriously reconsider how to deal with crime

Most crime is related to money being an incentive one way or another. Remove that incentive, you remove those crime. Let's implement world wide wealth caps so that nobody can have a networth over 10 million, anything else goes to taxes.. This way wealth will be spread out, governments will have the funds for huge social systems like free healthcare, free education, universal basic income. No more poverty, so much less crime because of monetary reasons

Other crimes are of passion. Change how we educate children growing up. Include classes in schools about how we interact with eachother. Women are not objects to own and sell (looking at you, ex of my wife who literally wrote me an email to suggest we "sign the transfer of ownership papers" for his ex...) just like men.

Other crimes are related to mental illness. GET MENTAL HEALTH CARE UN YOUR UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE ALREADY!

Increase education funds so that everyone can have a proper education

With those things fixed, I want to imagine that crime rates would drop so significantly that we could close most prisons.

Then for those few people where we do need prisons, have reintegration paths, education, mental health support, whatever they need.

I know it's a pipe dream, but I don't see this as an impossible solution either

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Rich people will move rather than pay their fair share of tax. I hear Bermuda's nice.

America has no universal healthcare, so there's nothing to add psyche care into.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Rich people can move easily, but their assets have an address. Gold sits in a vault, stocks are listed in New York. Factories have an address, land cannot be moved.

They don't have to live here to tax their wealth. If they sell everything in our country and buy assets in some other country, then assets in our country become more affordable for normal people. There is no downside, unless you think rich people are some irreplaceable assets into themselves.

Tax wealth not work.

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Rich people will move rather than pay their fair share of tax.

This so far has not been true, at least not in NY or WA. Rich people also want to be around actual services and amenities, something not generally found outside of cities. They'll totally claim that they'll leave, yes. Yet, they haven't fled from NY..

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago

It starts with wealth taxes. 4% per year on fortunes over 10 million.

That can be increased to a point that any fortune over 10 mil will shrink over time instead of grow.

That will democratise wealth.

Pretty sure this dude was a killer already, which on average means they were a general threat to society. Like that probably is the one group you do want to imprison for life or otherwise kill if you can't do that, like it's easier to list killers who did it for moral reasons and half of those are members of historical militia like the Rednecks in the county and union wars or the abolitionist militia from the lead up to the civil war.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't think half the population are criminals. I would think it's a much smaller percentage of that. Maybe like 1%. The problem Is that the justice system is rigged especially all the stuff they came up with after the slaves were freed.

[–] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago

I think closer to 100% of the population is criminals.

I honestly doubt you can get through a single day in america without technically committing a crime, unless you don't get out of bed. Even then, it would likely take some prep work to solve potentially criminal things happening spontaneously.

Of course when we talk about criminals, we don't mean people that do crime, we mean people that do certain crimes (or in some very wild cases refuse to do certain crimes).

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 3 points 5 days ago

Unless we want to keep half of our population incarcerated indefinitely

Yes, that's their plan.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And we need to accept that there will be some recidivism.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

And we need to accept that some can’t be saved and need to be locked up forever

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago

Oh, it's worse than you think. The article doesn't really say much, but if you look for it, it does say this (emphases mine):

Mark Milk, 51, also of Sioux Falls, now faces five counts related to her death. Milk was almost three decades into a life term on a manslaughter conviction when Noem commuted his sentence in 2023.

Milk faces five counts including possession with intent to deliver cocaine that caused Wendel’s death. He is also charged with transportation of a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity, according to court documents.

She was fourteen.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 42 points 5 days ago

Was commuting his sentence part of his ICE agent signing bonus?

[–] BigMacHole@thelemmy.club 32 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We need to FREE Child Murderers and Rapists from PRISON!

-People who show up ARMED to Drag Shows to PROTECT THE CHILDREN TM!

[–] fleem@piefed.zeromedia.vip 2 points 4 days ago

don't ever quit! i have you tagged love seeing it

[–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago

What a fucking travesty.

[–] 58008@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Please wake me when MAGA pardons or commutes the sentence of someone who actually deserved clemency, as opposed to literal war criminals, insurrectionists and killers.

[–] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 days ago

Broken clock and all... but I actually don't think Ross Ulbricht deserved to spend the rest of his life in prison. Hard time? Sure. Life without parole? Absolutely not. Actual murderers get less.

[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

I think you forgot child rapists.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

Did t trump do some weed stuff in his first term?

[–] Lucelu2@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

How did Noem ever have the legal power to render a pardon???? Oops. forgot she was a state governor. I was thinking of her DHS role.