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[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 130 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"in danger of".... Bless their hearts...

[–] Dultas@lemmy.world 47 points 5 days ago (2 children)

US democracy, not real democracy

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I am not living under the illusion that we have much more of a democracy in Europe. We're just less openly fascist - with a tendency for the worse.

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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

The core is so rotten that even the façade is failing

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago (1 children)

1/3 are fine with fascism and lying about it being democratic.

[–] guyoverthere123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

And another 1/3 didn't bother to vote.

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[–] grinning_serpent@lemmy.world 57 points 5 days ago (10 children)

America isn't failing, it has already failed.

People so fucking unwilling to face reality, for any number of reasons. No one likes to admit that their actions or lack thereof might make them in some way culpable.

The cancer's been in us since Reagan. The Bushes, Clinton, fucking Obama didn't do shit about it because they were profiting from it. Just like they still don't actually care, because they're part of the owner class. They ain't the ones at risk from any of the insanity in the world. Their wealth, status, and privilege protect them.

Trump wasn't the cause of this. He's just the point at which the cancer had metastasized to the point it couldn't be ignored. Maybe we'd have survived if Biden hadn't been such a drizzling, spineless shit of an administration. Radical surgery and treatment might have been able to bring us back from the brink. Weakened, damaged, diminished, but able to recover if we hold to a new way of living.

Trump 2 was us deciding as a nation to be the smoker with COPD and two heart attacks lighting up another smoke.

Biden refusing to make examples of the ringleaders of the Jan 6 coup attempt - the congresscritters, media personalities, and yes fucking Trump himself - sent a message that was heard loud and clear. Treason's okay. If the leaders of the coup had been charged and tried for treason, with all that entails, then maybe it would have caused the cult to wither. Because it's not just the dumb, poor cultists you need to go after, you gotta get the leaders too. Cults can't survive without their leaders.

But maybe if Obama hadn't been such a spineless fucking coward, we wouldn't have been here. Whip your stupid party into shape, run roughshod over any wet pants senator or representative that tries to get in the way of delivering on those promises of aid programs for the people, tell Glitch to pound sand and just bypass Congress entirely and appoint Garland to the SCOTUS if Congress refuses to do its fucking job. Because the failures of neoliberalism set the stage for a fascist populist to take over. People wouldn't buy into that messaging if they were happy.

But there's no coming back from the kinds of damage Trump has done, both domestically and abroad. The damage that piece of shit Musk did with DOGE will be paying dividends for years, let alone what his little Hitler Youths were doing by stealing social security data and selling it off to Palantir.

America's dead. People need to stop being stupid and accept it.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 9 points 5 days ago

Ha, If americans ever admit that they will be in for a world of change. And since change is uncomfortable, they will always talk about vague risks in the future instead of admitting they have already come to pass. There is no logic here, they state USA is number one even when by every metric they are not. Education, life expectancy, average quality of life, average income, rights, democratic systems and more are all below number one. The last bastion of american greatness was military, and look at it crumble. Vietnam has a better track record, yet you don't see them banging their chests.

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[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 45 points 5 days ago
[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 71 points 5 days ago (3 children)

1/3 clearly living too comfortably to notice

[–] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

My parents are in that group. They say everything you hear bad about Trump is a lie and fake news.

[–] trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf 21 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It's mind numbing the amount of gas lighting going on

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Someone in my neighborhood has a sign up in their yard that says "Thank you President Trump". I for the life of me cannot think of a single thing he has done that's even remotely improved the lives of the average person.

I'm genuinely curious what these people think Trump has done that's so fantastic that they need to put a sign out to thank him. Their reality must be completely batshit crazy.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 4 days ago

Less brown people.

Brown people bad.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

they told them to not believe with thier eye and ears. Only based on assumptions and heresay. thats why they fall for actual scams quite often.

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

I'm sorry for your loss

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[–] Mihies@programming.dev 24 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Or they think it's failed already

[–] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 39 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The 1/3 are the ones who like what's happening

[–] Hope@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Actually I think a LOT of people who like what is happening think that the US democracy is at risk, and what is happening now is the solution to that risk, which absolutely sucks.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Including so called "leftists" on Lemmy who think that accelerating all of this is a good idea because they're under some insane notion that rebuilding from the rubble is easier/better?

So goddamn fucking stupid.

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[–] FirstCircle@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Or they don't understand the question.

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[–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It began failing in the ~~late~~ early 1970’s and was sped along by Reagan in the 1980’s.

It has been failing slowly for a long fucking time.

Honestly, Wilson fucked everyone over when he signed the Fed back into existence.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 3 days ago

Early 70s. Nixon's resignation started everything.

[–] Kjell@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They are right, the democracy in USA is decreasing rapidly and is back at 1960s level now according to the latest V-Dem report

The scale and speed of autocratization under the Trump administration are unprecedented in modern times. Within one year, the USA’s LDI score has declined by 24%; its world rank dropped from 20th to 51st place out of 179 nations

[–] BlindPenguin@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago

"in danger"?

[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

1 in 1 non-Americans say it already is.

[–] darthsundhaft@piefed.social 30 points 5 days ago (2 children)

So then strike. En masse. Now. Do it. You know this is the way. The billionaires don't care about boycotts until they actually affect them enough. Stop going to work. March to the capitol. Demand change. Now. Do it.

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I've stopped going to work. Been doing it for the past year and a half!

After all, pretty pointless to go back to the workplace from which you've been laid off.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I am on perpetual strike, the people I know though that are still working would lose their home and health insurance if they went on strike. We need solid support structures to plan such a thing, the large general strikes in the 20th century had massive amounts of organizational support from unions which now have few members or don't exist now, canteens set up, people occupied places and made encampments and had to battle police and private secuity. The organizations that are capable of building a coalition to enact such a thing are co-opted by the state, dismantled or deradicalized. And with the surveillance panopticon, any failure or capture by the state for such radical acts could essentially end a person's life, either literally or by imprisoning them for years or charging them with terrorism.

I agree though that shit is so dire, if a critical mass of people suddenly checked out of the genocidal war machine, whatever complications we'd have to iron out, it would still be a massive improvement over the status quo of endless global murder and repression.

[–] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And on top of this, a dangerous rhetoric I keep seeing/hearing from the Right is that "the left has taught America to hate itself". This is dangerous because any criticism, even those intended to improve the country is considered a "problem". After all, all we need to do is just say America is great, without actually doing anything to make it so.

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It's working as intended and was designed to fail the common man.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 3 days ago

2 in 3 Americans also say that we're not going to fix this until we do something about those 1in 3 "Americans."

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If you ask the fourth American, they'd probably say that US democracy had already failed quite a while ago. If you want evidence if democracy has failed in America, just look at the clown show in its current leadership and have a cursory look at what they are doing and keep doing right now.

It's probably the greatest democracy break in modern history because it's obviously broken, yet like a cowboy running the dog and pony show with the carriage on fire, no one really wants to admit that anything is wrong with this picture or do much about it.

The fact that more and more sources are saying that 'it might fail', 'it's approaching failure' or 'in danger of failing' ... is probably a sign that it has already failed.

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[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago
[–] Eryn6844@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

it was bound to fail when only white men straight are allowed to be truly free. everyone else is dealing with the fall out of what they impose upon us.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

Right, cishet white men, the root of all evil.
Everyone else not in that category is just fine and dandy, a worthy human being.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 days ago

"Democracy"?

[–] Cherry@piefed.social 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I’d be curious of the definition of failed. I’d say it’s passed there’s a guy parading round mocking pretty much every law, and promoting corruption. I’m curious just what action would constitute its failure.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 days ago

Election results being ignored. Currently Americans are either voting for or at least not voting against fascism. The current government is the government Americans voted for.

But if Americans actually vote against the fascists, and that is ignored, or elections are simply "suspended" (this is what fascists normally do) then democracy has failed.

Sure when the history books are written, maybe it might be considered that democracy failed when 2/3 of Americans either voted for fascism or didn't bother to vote against it, but we currently don't know how things will play out.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 10 points 5 days ago

Once again, a story warning people of an issue that has long come to pass.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Does the other 1 of 3 think it has already failed? Cuz I'm with that dude.

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 10 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Personally, I think balkanization or civil war are the most likely outcomes. The US has a lot of cruft from generations of oligarchy and the spared leadership from the Confederates. It would require a deep cleaning and reorganization to secure a better future for many states.

Anyhow, I believe that the American Dollar would probably die. If the US balkanizes, we might see a Californian Peso or Pacifican Bills to become a thing. Being anchored to a sinking currency would kill many states, so it would behoove them to separate on the fiscal basis alone.

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[–] JamesTBagg@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

"Too late for what? The Republic to fall?! It already has, and you just can't see it! There's no justice! No law! No Order! Except for the one that will replace it!

The time of the Jedi has passed! They cannot defeat Sidious... But together, you and I can."

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