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I see the point, but I don't think intellectual elitism is the same as anti-anti-intellectualism. I think intellectual elitism creates a sense of alienation from science that in fact leads to anti-intellectualism. "I have more specialized knowledge than you" is not the same as "I'm better than you," and acknowledging that is the solution
I think they're joking about the elitism part. People just need to stop to listen to idiots
completely tangential, but this is actually an interesting grammatical point. I'm guessing you're German by your username; "stop to listen to idiots" would mean "aufhören, um Idioten zuzuhören." "aufhören Idioten zuzuhören" would be "stop listening to idiots." it's interesting because "to [verb]" and "[verb]ing" are often interchangeable, but in this case they actually mean the opposite
Richtig, danke.
I understood absolutely zero of the German, but for other non native English speakers who didn't pick up on the issue here:
The usual phrase here would be "stop listening to idiots". The sentence that was used, "stop to listen to idiots" means the contrary, that you'll stop what you're doing so that you can listen to what the idiot has to say.
Which is a valid option, but an ill advised one.
For the non-Germans who want to know the source of the confusion: It's basically the same sentence structure in German meaning something different than in English.
to has distinct meanings in "I want to listen to them" and "you should stop to listen to them". In the first sentence, it's effectively an article for the activity "listen to them". In the second sentence, it implies an intent, which could be made explicit like "stop in order to listen to me".
English uses the progressive ("stop listening") to disambiguate with words like stop. German instead uses an additional preposition "um" for the intent meaning of to.
(In this case, the meaning difference between "interrupting something" and "stop for good" also has different words, "anhalten" and "aufhören").
Word for word, "Aufhören zuzuhören" would mean "stop to listen", but actually means "stop listening" while "stop to listen" would be correctly translated as "anhalten, um zuzuhören".
The issue is that anti-intellectualists think that the very concept of knowing more than them about any given topic is elitism.
My conspiracy theorist mom would go on and on about how her spending an afternoon googling something put her ideas at a higher level than someone who got a degree studying it, and if I agreed with the person with the degree, then I was an idiot for not following her. She thought that right up until she died trying to treat her cancer with quack therapies.
Regardless of whether we frame it as "I'm better than you because I know more than you," the anti-intellectualists will still be framing it as "I'm better than you because my 'gut feeling' knows more than you." It's a competition to them, not because someone told them they were lesser, but because they already believed they were greater.
They want this same elitism. They want to have their own special secret knowledge only they (and a small handful of internet people “in the know”) have access to. This makes them feel special and superior.
They are better than them, at that thing, and if you don't defer, then they have every right to scoff at the stupidity before them.
Even the fucking witches know to trust the virologists
I like the witches who tell people to buy carbon monoxide detectors. One time I told a patient with abusive auditory hallucinations that her nighttime zyprexa was gonna shut the stupid bastard up and she was welcome to ascribe whatever spiritual interpretation she liked to that.
Holy shit yes. Everybody thinks they're smarter then everybody else. That's a huge part of the problem. Nobody can just stay in their lane and admit anymore that a person with a PhD in a specific field might know a little more about that field than you. Even the educated now think they're the smartest person on the planet.
You 100% should not trust:
They're just as guilty of this bullshit as everyone else. It's everybody. The whole fucking planet at this point.
Also people think being smarter means knowing more, which is stupid. A guy who spent thousands of hours studying random topic is obviously going to know more about it, no matter how smart you are it just doesn't replace time spent learning
It wasn't always this way, though — general education standards have been severely eroded. There was a point in time where you could trust that a civil engineer would have the general knowledge required to understand what they don't know — thus leaving the decision to better educated minds.
There are so many things wrong about how we teach each other in the U.S., and wrong with how we perceive being taught. So many people believe that unwarranted advice is the worst fucking crime imaginable, or that correcting someone's spelling/grammar is a shitty thing to do. So many people are so innately positioned against learning that it's no fucking wonder why your anesthesiologist has 0 fucking clue what the nation should do regarding immigration. Totally ignorant of the fact that they should absolutely be intelligent enough to come to the correct answers; at the very least they should be able to listen to those who come backed with facts and verify their veracity at a later point.
I have no idea what I can do about it beyond being a grammar nazi. /endrant
Intellectual elitism is absolutely not what we're missing, we're missing respect for expertise
Therapist here w/ Masters. Sick of life coaches.
That is one of the most damaging scams in existence. Any jackhole can hang out a sign and call themselves a life coach. They are the homeopaths and chiropractors of psychology.
As someone who is an expert in one area and as dependent as anyone else in others, and who also hates appeals to authority -
To me, the correct stance is that any should be able to question things that don't make intuitive sense or that one suspects might be a perspective motivated by financial considerations instead of expertise.
Note that I said question. Not invent your own replacement fever-dream explanation.
Questions require good-faith attempts to find information and understand.
Not pitch something where its main virtue is that it makes ignorance feel good actually.
Says someone on alt right pedo platform Twitter. He's not wrong, but come on. The irony.
With a blue check. Which means they paid the pedo techno fascist.
I'm sure you can find many people with MDs that aren't above peddling snake oil.
Yes but the percentage would be much lower.
Also, an MD isn’t necessarily a virologist or vaccine expert. I mean, you really shouldn’t ask an ortho bro about anything but bones and joints. So I doubt MD necessarily means “elite”.
People so fragile they can’t live with the idea other people might be smarter than they are
Masters degree in AI here.
Every day I feel like medical specialist during highest anti-vax craze. No matter what I say, no matter what kinda research and articles I cite social media and advertising simply scream louder and more often.
Maybe if the people in control of AI weren't quite literally the most evil people currently on the planet, more people would understand. Also the fact that they're all trying to cram it into every aspect of our lives, despite it being a demonstrable failure doesn't help.
Could just say we need to get rid of anti-intellectualism but has to be phrased in the most provocative way possible because it's on social media 🙄
I feel like pointing at "influencers" and putting the blame on them isn't really correct. They are probably more of a symptom.
Whose fault is it that some random blogger is being treated the same as people who studied something for decades?
E.g. the media owned by the rich or the governments ~~bought~~ "lobbied" by the rich.
A few crazy people will always exist, but currently the "inmates are running the asylum" and they actively promote this garbage. Just look at RFK.
No, what we need to bring back is dumb-shaming. People need to feel ashamed of their own ignorance so they stop believing what a fakebook idiot tells them.
It's not elitism. It's fucking fact. Someone trained in a discipline knows more about said discipline than someone who isn't
No, don't just blindly believe professionals either.
Cause some of them a assholes who try to sow discord for their own personal profit.
Like Andrew Wakefield, who started the whole "Vaccines cause autism!" fraud, because he wanted to sell shit that would benefit from the distrust he was creating and thought undermining faith in existing medicine would be a great marketing ploy.
and theres been tons of famous, formerly reputable doctors since, that have put down their ethics and picked up the snake oil since then. Like Mehmet Oz.
Not just influencers, but also politicians and news media. I have a master's degree in statistics, and it's not at all uncommon for politicians and media to misrepresent scientific results. Correlation does not equal causation. If a study hasn't been peer reviewed, I wouldn't say that it proves anything just yet. Studies on a non-representative sample aren't generalizeable to the population as a whole. And so on..
I don’t think it’s elitism to believe that a scientist understands their field better than an influencer. And I also don’t think this is a new phenomenon - as a society we have been buying remedies from carnival attractions and Hollywood celebrities for centuries.
Humans en masse tend to listen to those who yell loudest, not those who appeal to common sense. We can be smart as individuals, but we are dumb as fuck as a group
Everything we do is thousands on thousands on thousands of years old.
However, some 50 years ago there was more cultural respect held for doctors and lawyers and astronauts and the like. We have forgotten somewhat how to value expertise. It is a problem, regardless of anything else.
Calling that intellectual elitism is like calling state-funded healthcare socialism
Years saying "stop making stupid people famous" and nobody listened.
This is not a shitpost!
The big problem is that we're not just up against plain stupidity, we're also up against organised and weaponised stupidity that is being enabled and fanned by those in power and the media, and also their billionaire backer donors, who want to drag us all the way back to the medieval ages.
That's much more sadistic and worse than plain stupidity which we are all guilty of from time to time until we learn better. With organised and weaponised stupidity, they don't want us to learn better, because our ignorance benefits their wallets.
We need to bring back actual learning. Sorry, but an accredited source will always be better than anything emerging from nazi owned X.com.
Part of the problem is that we glamorise them calling them "influencers". We should call them "cuntfluencers", or maybe better yet, "cunts".
The thing is, expertise can manifest as tyranny.
Rather than using education to find our way around this and equalize power, we've just made stupid-fascism and expert hegemony because everyone with certification is sick of a guy on Facebook who describes himself as a 'ball tanning influencer' telling them their 20 years as senior person at the CDC on the front lines of epidemiology and decade of med school are worth nothing.
We must never improve. Nothing must ever improve.
Don't forget that only 9 out of 10 dentists recommend toothpaste and you can be damn sure that last one is the one giving out medical advice on social media.
Idiocracy has become a documentary.
Idiocracy had leaders who were actually wanting to make things better and hired the smartest people they could.