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[–] Davel23@fedia.io 212 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Te be fair, Troy McClure stopped appearing after his voice actor was killed.

[–] Fuckswearwords@lemmy.world 70 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Same for Isaac Hayes (Chef), though less murdered and more natural causes.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Chef was written out for being a hypocritical scientologist who was fine with trashing everyone up until they put cruise in the closet. They killed him off in a you ain't ever coming back way. He died two years after they killed him off in the show.

[–] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I think you're forgetting two key factors here: one is that he suffered a stroke in 2006 and didn't really do much of ANY work after that. According to one of his ~~11 sons~~ 3 sons (out of 11 kids, holy shit my dude), Isaac Hayes III:

Isaac Hayes did not quit South Park; someone quit South Park for him. What happened was that in January 2006 my dad had a stroke and lost the ability to speak. He really didn’t have that much comprehension, and he had to relearn to play the piano and a lot of different things. He was in no position to resign under his own knowledge. At the time, everybody around my father was involved in Scientology — his assistants, the core group of people. So someone quit South Park on Isaac Hayes’ behalf. We don’t know who. ... My father was not that big of a hypocrite to be part of a show that would constantly poke fun at African-American people, Jewish people, gay people — and only quit when it comes to Scientology. He wouldn’t be that hypocritical.

Now whether you choose to believe all that or not is up to you, but the other key factor you forgot to consider is that Scientology IS a cult. From the limited amount of data we've been able to gleam from their internal workings, they have a habit of forcing their members to constantly push themselves beyond their limits, regardless of what any medical doctor would advise; because in their warped worldview, all faults or shortcomings, mental and physical, are all just the result of Thetans and can be overcome, regardless of the health of the individual. We have some anecdotes of people who have left with claims that the 'Chirch' would use typical cult behaviors that all amounted to increased control over their victims: borderline starvation, massive amounts of physical exercise to promote exhaustion, recontextualizing their worldview to make all this horseshit more acceptable, etc.

Anyway, my point is, Hayes died at the age of 65 after a recurrence of the previously mentioned stroke and was found lying on the floor next to a still-running treadmill. In my (unprofessional) opinion, Scientology killed him, simple as that. I wouldn't go so far as to say it was deliberate, nor that Hayes was ENTIRELY guilt-free (he did still join them initially), but the fact is that the last several years of his life were almost completely controlled for him and the people behind those decisions clearly put the CoS first and Hayes at a very distant second

Edit: I originally misspoke and said Hayes had 11 sons. He had 11 children, but only 3 were sons

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

None of it was mentioned at the time. It seems more likely it is revisionist history. Which is understandable since its originating from the family. I know what scientology is. As I know what a cult is. A cult is a small unpopular religion. A religion is a large popular cult. Which one hubbards brainfart low grade fantasy fiction falls under is debatable and redundant. He gave up his control and that is on him and only him. Blaming a MLM scheme hiding as a religion for a death is pointless since there was nothing that prevented him from breaking away as others have done.

[–] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If you call that revisionist history, then what do you call the fact that immediately after his first stroke, his PR team (heavily associated with Scientology) tried to claim that he merely suffered from an episode of "high blood pressure and exhaustion" only for the truth to be revealed 6 months later that it was indeed a stroke?

He gave up his control and that is on him and only him.

Like I said in my initial comment, he did choose to join them on his own free will, so we're in agreement there. But I also said that his last few years (i.e. everything post-'06 stroke) was controlled by the Scientologists when he was not in a position to tell them to fuck off, even if he wanted to (which admittedly, would be debatable). They saw an opening and ran with it, that was my point; you're claiming that he willingly gave up all his autonomy and I simply don't agree with that. Or at least he was not mentally sound enough to be able to do so, just like how putting rohypnol in someone's drink doesn't equal "yes means yes"

Blaming a MLM scheme hiding as a religion for a death is pointless since there was nothing that prevented him from breaking away as others have done.

Simply because some have broken ties with the cult doesn't mean that all members have the same options to break away as the fortunate few. ESPECIALLY if the majority of the people around him, those controlling his perception of the outside world, were actively trying to keep him in. A core fundamental philosophy from Hubbard himself was to draw in as many celebrities as possible for the express purpose of using them to prostelytize his works. Plus, and let's be frank here, Hayes was not in the prime of his life anymore; he wasn't so far gone as to be labeled "decrepit" or "on death's door" at the time of his death, but even if he was living completely alone and didn't have Church members constantly surrounding/influencing him, it's hard to say whether or not he would've had the opportunity to leave.

I mean, come on man, the Church literally encourages members to "disconnect" with all aspects and people of their former lives who are not themselves members. It's also pretty common knowledge that anyone who leaves is not only shunned by the organization (which, if the disconnection was effective) had been the basis for their entire lives for a long time by that point; they're also contantly harassed, stalked, and occasionally threatened directly from still-current members. Even if those actions aren't technically ordered to be done by the leaders, they still happen regularly without any condemnation or comment from the top brass. And this isn't even getting into the multiple deaths they are DIRECTLY responsible for, or the fact that Shelly Miscavige (the wife of the current head of rhe Church) has not publicly been seen ANYWHERE by ANYONE since 2007. Or Operation Snow White in the 1970s where up to 5,000 individual members worked to get jobs in various branches of the US (and Canadian) government for the explicit and stated purpose of covering up Hubbard's and the Church's more controversial practices. If they can manage to pull all that shit off and still somehow get away without the most minor of consequences, I'm sure they can manage to draft the equivalent of a Termination of Emploment, convince a perpetually confused Isaac into signing it, and then sending it off to the South Park offices.

tl;dr You're forgetting the most important single line from that episode of South Park:

We shouldn't be mad at Chef. We should be mad at that fruity little club for scrambling his brains

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[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 128 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Chef was written out because Isaac Hayes lost his shit when South Park went hard on Scientology. They killed off the character well before Hayes died.

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 225 points 4 days ago (5 children)

IDK What suit your talking about. Isaac Hayes suffered a stroke after the episode aired, and the Church of Scientology released a statement on his behalf. Hayes' son set the record straight over a decade after his dad died. Here's the tweet.

For over 14 years, people have speculated about why my father @isaachayes left South Park. I’m here to set the record straight. My dad did not quit South Park. Scientology did.

After the episode Trapped in the Closet aired in 2005, my father suffered a stroke just a few months later that left him unable to speak or make decisions on his own. He was not in any condition to resign from anything. The truth is, someone else within his Scientology circle made that decision and quit the show for him.

He loved being the voice of Chef. He loved the character. He loved connecting with fans. He would joke with people who recognized his voice, and he truly enjoyed being part of the show.

The narrative that he quit because he was offended by the satire is not true. That was a cover story created by others. My father never got to speak for himself because his health robbed him of that chance.

So now I am speaking for him. He did not leave South Park willingly. He was forced out by illness and by people who did not have his best interest at heart.

This is for anyone who loved Chef. This is for anyone who admired my father’s work. This is the truth about what really happened.

Here is the original tweet. Hayes son has also said this in an interview.

Hayes previously stated that although he didn't like those jokes, he got them and still liked being a part of the show. I'm pretty sure South Park made jokes about Scientology before this episode. So why wouldn't he have left earlier if that was what he had a problem with?

Here is even more info about it.

So we can all stop down voting OP for being correct.

[–] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Lol I love how you and I basically made the same arguments against two different people trying to shift blame away from Scientology. It's almost like nobody listened to Kyle when he said the most important line from that episode aka Matt and Trey talking directly to the audience:

We shouldn't be mad at Chef. We should be mad at that fruity little club for scrambling his brains

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[–] Davel23@fedia.io 36 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No, Chef was removed at the request of one of his family members because of his association with Scientology. Isaac Hayes died two years after the removal of Chef.

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[–] BigBoyShuanzee@aussie.zone 67 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

It was already said about Troy Mclure. I'm still annoyed that a 3rd rate Indian comedian said "Apu is making us all look bad" Ahh yes Apu who is literally the hardest working person (besides Smithers) Apu a man who had 5 women dating him at one time. A man who got the hottest girl ever (The Squishish girl).. They decided that was offensive and against their race.

All I've got is "OI MISTER PRIME MINISTER" and "900 DOLLARYDOOS???"

I guess I'm entitled because 900 dollarydoos is fucking hilarious and I love being insulted.

I have some long lost Scottish heritage (ask the English and the Catholic Church why I can't look up my history) and I Absolutely love everything about Groundskeeper Willie even his creepy phase of filming couples in their cars... "EVERY SCOTTISH PERSON DOS EET'

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Don't forget that Apu was an excellent hard-working, small business owning, immigrant father.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

Maybe that WAS the problem.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Ahh yes Apu who is literally the hardest working person (besides Smithers)

It's reinforcing a stereotype. Apu was an interesting character when they expanded him, but he dealt with a lot of stereotypes and had a white guy voicing a fairly stereotypical guy.

Hank Azaria (or whoever it is voicing him) is cool with it, maybe check out his perspective

[–] BigBoyShuanzee@aussie.zone 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Hank Azaria voices many characters and is a very talented guy. I don't blame him for being uncomfortable voicing Apu

Apu had so many silly and offensive things towards Indians.. But Apu is (As I said in my original comment) a great and wonderful character and is one of the better off characters in the show.

The only time Apu is a bad guy is when he's selling expired meat or when he's cheating on his wife.

The rest of the time he's busting his arse and being so damned hard working.

Groundskeeper Willie is a drunk, hate filled, Scottish borderline serial killer.. All okay it's because he's Scottish.

I don't care either way, I like Apu and I like Willie but I don't like that a 3rd rate comedian attacked Apu just to get famous and No one cares about the harmful stereotypes of Ellie.. I don't even care.. Actually I'm tired of this, I don't care.

[–] qualia@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What “third rate comedian” are you even talking about.

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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I’m sometimes a bit concerned that I do buy into the “white actors voice them better” trope.

I think last major instance I recall is Widowmaker from Overwatch. The fake French accent is generally much easier to hear their lines through, and they can build their vocal focus on the “sexy spy” theme.

It could be just that English actors are better at understanding cultural expectations to build on for their audience. I’ve had a hard time building investment in some characters with certain heavy native accents, which is tricky to think about.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I think preventing people from playong around with accemts and voices from other cultures is fascist, kills play, and blocks some pathways to empathy.

i guess we could do genetic testing before casting paid roles so all intended accemts will be allowed.

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[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

this whole thing sounds like desert camel music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR511iAedYU

Don't worry, you don't need to watch the whole thing. He repeats his point multiple times :

Basically, by catering to generic ideas instead of authentic ones, you are being robbed of cultural exposure and reinforcing biases and simple perspectives you have instead of growing.

Yeah, when someone does a stereotypical accent you associate with something, it conforms more to your ideas of how your language sounds when made by a foreigner. It doesn't make you understand what the accent actually sounds like, and WHY it sounds that way. It's nice for you, because it panders to you, instead of treating you like an adult.

Also, it's disingenuous to bring french accents into this, since the main problem is that the stereotypes being presented of ethnic minorities are often used to ridicule them, and deny them prosperity. That's the difference, the french guy is ,moving from one well of place to the next and people aren't going to deny him promotions or whatever. However, to Indian people, or children of Indians, patterns of bullying and marginalisation still exist and are exasperated by the stereotypes.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago

I'm pretty sure 'dollarydoos' is honourary Aussie now. It was in Bluey.

That’s a bloody outrage it is! Hey Tony!!

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[–] SwissArmyKazoo@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

If I'm remembering correctly, Pepe will be appearing in the upcoming Coyote vs Acme movie.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 52 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I haven’t watched the Simpsons in SOOOOO long. They really benched Apu?

[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 73 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

The voice actor maybe felt bad about being a white guy reinforcing indian stereotypes, or maybe felt pressured, but either way decided that he wasn't going to voice him anymore, and they decided not to replace him and instead just never give Apu a line again.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 35 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Thanks. Not replacing him was an odd choice, though.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 29 points 4 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

not so much; the topic had kind of become a whole thing within the comedy/entertainment circuit on account of Hari Kondabolu making a documentary about it.

It was a detailed and nuanced discussion about the wider nature of invisible racism, and therefore attracted a ton of kneejerk reactions from people who hadn't watched it but sure as hell had opinions (edit: oh look, after I wrote that, one of them showed up in the comments lol). In the end it was just easier to let it lie than get tied up in an intractable discussion on whether an Indian person playing up an Indian stereotype for the entertainment of a mainstream audience is still harmful or not

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[–] Dookieman12@piefed.social 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, all those stereotypes of Indian people being successful business owners, loving husbands, dedicated fathers, and all around decent folks really give the wrong idea about Indian people.

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[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 31 points 4 days ago (15 children)

Watching this video made me realise that benching Apu was a mistake. Because as a character, he is not punched down on, he is reliably one of the more considerate and nuanced characters in the show. He's not a Cletus-like character, and the jokes about his Indian heritage are not mean spirited.

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[–] jay@pie.zerojay.com 33 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Lisa Miller is in the latest Scott Pilgrim game.

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[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why is Ghandi there? The show itself was canceled, it's been so long, anyone care to explain?

[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They had to remove him from the reboot cuz people got butthurt.

[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There was a reboot... Fuck Im so outta the loop. Not that I really care. Shit I only realized they remade Moana like 2 weeks ago. Fucking wack ass shit.

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[–] frog@feddit.uk 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What are you talking about. Apu's right there. Ice got him.

[–] bzLem0n@lemmy.ca 28 points 4 days ago

Nope that's Gandhi from Clone High.

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Eddsworld! Neat

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