I am going to make everyone suffer because I have to participate in society π
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why is society so shit
The eggs and beans dude, obviously.
I've never understand why people always complain about jury duty in particular. I've never been called, but I think it sounds like an interesting experience.
Mostly it's money related. Some people literally cannot afford to attend jury duty because of how little compensation there is for their time; like in my area, if it takes two weeks you get compensated $4.75 an hour compared to a full time job which is $13.50 below minimum wage ($18.25).
I also think it would be cool and would like to attend, but then I wouldn't be able to pay rent if it goes on too long.
Yup, here you get minimum wage which is only slightly over federal.
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Yeah you get to sit in a lobby for 3 hours, then the judge calls you in to tell you to be back in an hour after lunch. The you come back and sit a few more hours until they call you back in to tell you what time to be back the next day
if you are willing to sit a juror pool for like several days straight, where they spends hours questioning each juror of why they can and cannot serve. its really annoying and time consuming, and people have jobs. most of the people in my area can afford to take time off, majority of the juror pool i was in was tech/programmer. its very anxiety inducing if you dont want to be there.
Wait, so you have to take vacation days for jury duty? Your employer doesn't have to give you leave? That's fucked up lol. Every time I think the US couldn't be more fucked than it already is, I get proven wrong lol.
Oh your job has to let you take time off - they do not, however, have to pay you. You have to use PTO (paid time off, aka sick & vacation days) if you want pay for the days you're off doing just duty. Because America is a capitalist hell.
You reminded me of an excellent quote: "the USA is not a first world country. It's 50 third world countries in a trench coat".
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Yeah do they not legally have to pay you for it in the us or something? That's messed up
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I served in a jury once on a criminal case, we found the defendant not guilty and got to see him be freed. That felt pretty nice to be a part of that.
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i sat in one last sept, it was very boring and very annoying if you a job. basically the 1st 2 days is roll call like 200+people, and they may or may not take "excuses' to be excluded from jd. if you are selected you have to sit in a courtroom usually 8am sharp and then sit there for 7+hrs listening to peoples "biases" of why they can or cannot be in the jury(with breaks). they will sus you out if you try the JD nullfication tactic, and they might end up choosing you. its incredibally annoying. this went on for 3-4 days, because people were trying to get out of jury duty( they have to vet every single person they call to the stand. its usually they choose 12 main jurors and 3-6 alternates, the only ones that usually are excused are people who are old(70+), have a disability, or thier jobs require so much time commiment they cant afford to be jury duty. almost everyone in my Jury pool were in tech, so mostly can afford to have time off, only a few one cant speak or understand English clearly(chinese immigrant), one is DEAF or very hearing impaired.lawyers, LEOs are also excluded mostly.
then they go through biases like someone is too emotional, or some is a former lawyer from another country (germany) which she gave the reason why a jury is inefficient, she was excused. 1 chick tried her hardest of being A SJW(organizing/prostesting,,,etc).
some people cant afford to be in a jury because of money. In a HCOL thats less likely.
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I've only served on jury duty once, and it was kinda fucked up. Child abuse case, and we were all kinda on the fence leaning toward defendant was guilty, but the evidence presented was just absolute dogshit. Lots of reasonable doubts.
Found the dude not guilty on the premise that we'd rather let a guilty piece of shit off the hook than risk convicting someone who's innocent, but it felt real fuckin icky to give that verdict over what was most likely just a lazy investigation by the cops.
Hope the kid turned out okay... must have absolutely zero faith in the legal system because of that.
You did the right thing. It's also important that cops and prosecutors do their job and stop relying on horrible accusations to be enough to convict anyone they want.
We're close enough to the French https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror as it is. I still think Al Franken really didn't do anything seriously wrong.
You wouldn't believe the amount of cases we shelve because cops are incompetent. Or maybe you will if you know anything about cops.
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I don't remember the name, but some lawyer on YouTube explained that exactly the problem you all had, is why he doesn't struggle defending someone who is "obviously" guilty.
You can't really know that right of the bat. You need at least some good evidence. Basically he is making sure that all the other people do their job correctly.
As one of those kids, he'll probably turn out okay. As a juror, it's better to let a piece of shit go free than make an innocent person rot in jail.
When the kid grows up I would almost guarantee that he would make the same decision.
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Pretty easy to get out of, right? I'm sure no prosecutor would keep you if you stated plainly that you detest cops and would never trust a word that comes out of their snouts. I've also heard of people claiming to have biases against all races but their own just to get out of jury duty, although at least once, I've heard of a judge asking jurists who made such claims for proof of past statements along those lines or be slapped with contempt of court charges. Not sure proclaiming to be a racist is the direction I would go in, but to each their own, I suppose.
Nah, you keep all that secret, manage to get on the jury anyway, then vote not guilty no matter what.
Unless it's a civil case. Then you just automatically rule in favor of whichever party has less money.
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Fartmaxxing.
I don't understand you humans.
Why does "everyone else has to suffer" if you are stuck with jury duty?
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I served once, and it was an interesting experience, I learned to trust the court system more than I did before, at least for the civil trial I sat.
Years later I was on call for selection. During the selection process I agreed, when the lawyer asked, that false imprisonment needed to mean they couldn't leave, i.e. they were locked up. That was enough to eliminate me. I didn't want to be on a criminal trial that sounded like it was going to last weeks.
In short, it's easy enough to get out of serving, there's no reason to be a jerk.
Your fellow jurors are suffering enough, why do you have to make it worse?
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This is only punishing the other jurors stuck there too. Unless they are putting out enough ppm to be noticeable even 15 feet away in an open air room.
I really enjoyed my stint as a juror. Never tried to weasel out of it either.
It's an important civic duty. For every opportunity to find Luigi did nothing wrong, there is a terrible case.
I had a friend who had a 8 month jury stint over a infamous and grusome child murder. They had to review detailed forensic evidence. He had to go to therapy for panic attacks for years.
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I thought being on a jury might be quite interesting, until I found out you don't get paid for it. Fuck that, I'm not working for free.
You get paid where I live, but it's some useless amount like $12/day.
that is effectively not getting paid imo
I got bills to pay. I'm not living a lavish life. either it matches my income, or I find a way out of it
That's why they call it a civic duty, not a job.
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This is genius, though personally I'd the eggs into egg salad and add plentiful fried onions.
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Ya'll if you don't want to serve just tell the court you know what jury nullification is and ask to be dismissed. No need for biological warfare.
In some places, telling potential jurors about jury nullification is considered juror tampering.
It's better to phrase it differently without actually saying the words "jury nullification". Something like, "I would vote not guilty if the law is unjust."
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