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The world’s top chess federation has ruled that transgender women cannot compete in its official events for females until an assessment of gender change is made by its officials.

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[–] elscallr@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Why are cheese tournaments even gendered to begin with?

[–] Sarsoar@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago

To add to squids answer: There isn't a segregated mens and womens category. There is an open category and a women's only category.

What happened in the open category is that because the societal pressures and social constructs that disincentivized young girls to play, women weren't placing high in the open category. (Because top players end up being top players because they started when thwy were 5) This leads to a feedback loop where young girls see less women in the sport and get reinforced that it is not for them so don't pick it up at a young age, so less persue it and get good, so less women are seen at high levels, etc.

So then comes the women's category to combat women not feeling like they belong in that space. Women can compete in both the open and women's categories.

But because it is an intellectual thing mostly, barring transgender women is ridiculous. In athletic sports you could almost try to argue that a woman that went through male puberty could be stronger(ignoring how estrogen weakens them and they cannot compete in the men's category anymore). You could try to make that argument in athletic sports (and it is a different discussion to this) and almost seem logically consistently on the surface level if you don't think about it any further than your fox news talking points, but what is the argument here? If a woman went through a male puberty they were possibly socialized as male and weren't told as a kid that chess wasn't for them and so they have an intellectual advantage over cis women?

I don't get it. It seems like, just with athletic sports, it is not about the sanctity of the sport or about fairness, it is about banning trans people from public spaces and policing what women can be.

[–] Squids@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because different genders taste cheese differently obviously duh. Don't want to give them NBs an unfair advantage in the Roquefort round

(Serious answer - I think it's to try and combat entrenched sexism in the sport? There aren't many women in chess and by making a space explicitly for them you hopefully create a safe space that can encourage more women to take up the pursuit. As it's a social perspective thing, AGAB therefore really shouldn't matter because the point is to go "look women!" Not "women are inherently better/worse and so we should segregate on gender")

[–] elscallr@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because different genders taste cheese differently obviously duh.

I've heard it is possible to fascinate a woman by giving her a piece of cheese.

[–] CoderKat@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

It's true. Cheese is extremely fascinating. Please give me cheese.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How is gender even relevant in chess?

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

it isn't. the main league and FIDE scoring have no such restrictions. the women's scoring and events were created separately because chess is heavily dominated by men for whatever reason. i think trans women can compete in the main events which are not gender restricted, just as non-trans women are welcome to.

[–] jmp242@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago

Unlike many other sports, I honestly don't see how chess is impacted by gender, nor why we'd have different leagues other than legacy historical strangeness. If I were king for a day, I'd just get rid of gendered leagues for chess. Everyone plays in an open league.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

So what's their plan when someone accuses their opponent of being AMAB to try to get them DQ'd?

[–] OldWomanoftheWoods@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Oof. Fucking FIDE. Trans women should be able to compete in the women's sections.

About the gender gap - the gender gap in performance is a statistical relic of the participation gap. Control for participation and the performance gap vanishes.

Women's sections exist to help promote participation and competition in that cohort. Its the same reason junior sections for kids exist, senior sections for older adults exist, and ratings limited sections like U1200 and U1500 exist.

Unlike other sports, a trans person would have no physiological advantage or disadvantage competing across gendered sections.

[–] qwertychomp@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

The fact that this is a stupid thing to do aside, what does "assessment of gender change" even mean? Like, are they gonna go hand you a quiz to find out how "wOmAnLiKe" you are or something