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Yeah nobody ever died here (an uranium mine) and you absolutely don't need any fossil fuel to make it works.
Nuclear energy is better than fossils, but it's far from green.
Nuclear causes the fewest deaths out of all available energy sources, except solar, which is a tiny bit lower in that regard. Both wind and hydro have a higher death toll, with wind being just slightly above nuclear, and hydro being a lot higher (about 40x more deaths).
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-from-energy-production-per-twh
Usually I wouldn't cite this source, but in this case their data matches other, more trustworthy ones, and is the first that shows up in search engines.
It also have a bit of due to regulations making sure people who work on nuclear are way more compentent, while other green energy infrastructure can be built by rando workers like your roads and such. Kind of similar to how air travels are the safest only because of strict protocols and requirements to work on it.
This is probably true when it comes to wind, but deaths from hydro is all about dams breaking.
Almost all deaths from both nuclear and hydro are caused by major accidents like Chernobyl or the Banqiao Dam.
Which makes you think, considering coal power plants still cause infinitely more deaths - and that's just standard operation.
Exactly. Also the deaths from coal are not contained to a single spot.
Just the radioactive damage from coal under normal operation is worse than the radioactive damage from nuclear disasters.
Those deaths are counted in my 5 k
You actually don't need any fossil fuel to make it work. You just have to electrify the mining machinery then you can power it with solar, wind, hydro and nuclear.
Ah yes, surely we should go nuclear! It’s not like countries depending on nuclear energy have to shut them down during summer, which will only get worse every year
Also this meme is just wrong lol. NIMBY culture against wind energy is so much more stronger (to be fair, because of other reasons though)
Best I can see, summer shutdowns are primarily caused by extended spring maintenance. Is there some more concrete reason summer shutdowns happen?
Public trust in governments and the private sector is at an all time low, all around the world. And that's an earned reputation.
Nuclear energy is a promising solution, but there are risks associated with it that cannot be ignored.
Can you trust a government that can't even feed it's poor and house them to properly dispose of all nuclear waste used at scale? I doubt it. Even if it's done right for a while, that handling will erode because everything in our system does. That's the problem.
The question isn't just efficacy of the technology. It's implementation. Execution. Maintenance. Long term sustainability.
Thorium Salt Reactors eat waste uranium and are capable of creating more uranium form thorium for legacy reactors in a continuous cycle.
implementation. Execution. Maintenance. Long term sustainability.
Fossil Fuel fired power plants?
I'm ok with Thorium Salt reactors. I believe it was Taylor Wilson who suggested they could even use recycled nuclear missile payloads for this system.
Sustainability is relative. It might seem OK for a very long time. Until a future Trump comes along and rips up all the "nuclear red tape" and it leads to a global Chernobyl disaster. At that point, let's just use solar, wind and other safer options ey.
You can say that but I remember Fukushima. The damage causes by the Fukushima meltdown cost more than the power company's total profits in Japan over the previous 40 years.
So keep telling me that nuclear is safe, and I'll keep pointing to the damage it is guaranteed to cause. Low risk high consequence situations are the hardest to regulate. And you're risking your entire city, all at once, everything in it.
But look, the real question is what new sources to build. Current sources will stay online for years or decades. For new production, the cheapest by far is solar, followed by wind, as long as the externalities are dumped back on the utilities. Also, home solar means the utilities can't price gouge you.
People never hesitate to show that feels > reals
You can say that but I remember Fukushima. The damage causes by the Fukushima meltdown cost more than the power company's total profits in Japan over the previous 40 years.
And it's a mistake that will never happen again, as this accident immediately triggered a ton of retrofitting across the nuclear reactors in use specifically to cover the eventuality that Fukushima showed us.
Now compare Fukushima to the ongoing effects of fossil fuel plants, and the deaths caused. What do you think caused more deaths, Fukushima, or stopping all nuclear plants in the country? This paper argues that the shutdown caused an increase in mortality (people freezing to death over winter due to up to 40% higher energy costs) ultimately killing more people than radiation exposure (emphasis mine):
To put these estimates in context, we calculate that the higher electricity prices resulted in at least an additional 1,280 deaths during 2011-2014. Since our data only covers the 21 largest cities in Japan, which represents 28 percent of the total population, the total effects for the entire nation are even larger. Meanwhile, the number of deaths due to the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident is much lower. No deaths have yet to be directly attributable to radiation exposure, though projections estimate a cumulative 130 deaths (Ten Hoeve and Jacobson 2012). An estimated 1,232 deaths occurred as a result of the evacuation after the accident.7 Therefore, the deaths from the higher electricity prices likely outnumber the deaths from the accident in only four years if we extrapolate our estimates to the entire country, and almost certainly outnumber the deaths over a longer time period given that the higher electricity prices persisted beyond the end of our study. This suggests that ceasing nuclear energy production has contributed to more deaths than the accident itself.
So keep telling me that nuclear is safe, and I'll keep pointing to the damage it is guaranteed to cause.

Nuclear power is the safest form of energy per TWH. Tell me again how much you care about guaranteed damage caused by an energy source. Nuclear may have a large local impact, but that's not remotely comparable to the global environmental impact that fossil fuels have, both in premature deaths and impact on the climate. Shutting down nuclear before you have a non-fossil fuel base load source in the name of safety is spending dollars to get pennies.
And you're risking your entire city, all at once, everything in it.
Out of over 660 plants over 60 years, there's been 3 'major' accidents, of which only one of them was even close to what you're describing. Fukishima has close to a quarter million people living there today. Heck, even the small town of londonberry township (3 mile island) has almost 5000 people in it.
Your argument is based in hysterics, not reality.
The cost was because people like you dont understand low dose exposure and stick to the LNT model for radiation exposure. So they literly dug out the ground and removed all traces of radation. On paper that sounds great till you realize that nothing is radiation free and this was essentially a massive theatrical production of mopping the rain.
There's been what, three disasters total similar to the one in Fukushima? And remind me, how many people died from that one? Was it one guy?
Nuclear is cool. With proper regulation, it's amazing!
BUT, it's not what we must be focusing on right now. Renewable sources of energy are safer and much MUCH cheaper to implement than nuclear. Also, renewables don't require decades to come online.
So, "why renewables? Just go nuclear brooo" is a bad bad argument, likely made in bad faith by OnG companies to delay implementation of renewables.
The goal should be "how do we go from the status quo to a non GHG emitting source of energy generation as fast as possible?".
There is no one ideal energy source. The best approach is, as always, to diversify. Relying completely on one source is irresponsible. Nuclear with renewables is a fantastic mix. Especially in countries that can't reliably generate significant amounts of electricity with hydro.
Renewable sources of energy are safer
They're actually not, generally speaking. All types of renewable energy, with the exception of solar, cause more deaths than nuclear does.
- https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-from-energy-production-per-twh
- https://cheatsheets.davidveksler.com/deaths-per-terawatt-hour.html
Some articles report slightly lower death tolls for renewables, but don't provide any sources for that data. Geothermal energy, which neither of the two sources above includes for some reason, sits right next to wind, so slightly above nuclear in terms of deaths caused per terawatt-hour.
Nuclear doesn't compete with wind and solar. You can put up wind and hydro cheaply and quickly almost anywhere, and that's great and all and we should honestly subsidize manufacture inside Europe rather than just rely on buying from China.
But you still need base load and nuclear is the only option that makes any sense on scale from an ecological perspective. Hydro is highly situational and almost always a worse option for the environment, as well as for safety. Coal plants should never be an option.
So yeah, just go nuclear bro.
I live by a bunch of nuclear plants. One day, I got a text alert from the government saying something was going on at one of the nuclear plants. I decided I was probably already going to die and the went back to watching porn on the toilet. I will have my dream of being an environmental telling skeleton.
Incidentally, I live in Sacramento, in the California Central Valley, which is desert. Recently, its gotten up to 117° here (which is still low compared to Death Valley).
Solar is awesome.
what about a cow shark.
Thank God. I've never even seen a cow, but I swim wish sharks daily. I have a few small cuts that still bleed a bit when I get into the water, and the sharks have been acting a lot more aggressive and bitey than normal.
I was really starting to get worried until I saw this post.
How many cases of cancer are caused by burning fossil fuels and micro plastics from tires? I bet a fucking dick load.
Genuinely curious as to how and where we got the 140k deaths from renewables? It doesn't appear on the paper you linked but it cites the structural collapse of a Hydroeletric Dam in china which caused 230k deaths.
I'm curious where you got the renewables figure from, is it from dam collapses (which are structural failures rather than a product of the power source) or is there some sort of issue with wind turbines where they magically sprout legs and march into Cities like Godzilla with PMS?
You havent been attacked by a solar panel? Theyre awfully vicious in my area /s
Real answer is probably engineering issues, DIY, and a healthy dose of propaganda-number-fudging
All the nuclear stuff happens in one place, with a few people minding it. But they do have to be super careful and know what they're doing.
And if there's a critical flaw in the reactor design (looking at you Chernobyl) it can go very very wrong.
Renewables are all spread out, and a lot more people manage it for the power output.
That also means a lot more people have power-related jobs.
Fossil Fuels, Methane (Natural Gas) and Coal are just ugly all around. But they have really, really great lobbyists.
The RBMK design was outdated 10 years before construction.... but yeah lets unironically compare a model T Ford with no automatic controls slop welded together with shit tolerences and barely any control systems to a modern car with sensors and with safety features because they are both examples of a car.
When you burn the remains of these ancient life forms it releases their ghosts and that’s what kills so many when they breathe haunted air