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[–] uncommoncorvid@piefed.blahaj.zone 80 points 6 days ago (1 children)

so i have a little bit of insight into this whole thing. i got a few friends who are controllers and i've been in the hiring process myself for nearly 2 years. to save you the history of the hiring process of the last few years: long. duffy "supercharged" the hiring process last year, making it take a lot less time than it used to (months instead of years).

anyway, we don't actually know if 2000 "gamers" got hired from this latest bid, they're just saying that because they were catering to gamers with the advertisement (which was majority genAI content lmao). if you applied to the bid, you're automatically a gamer.

now a few things on what this means for us and the safety of aviation. the minimum requirements are as follows: do you have a pulse? can you obtain a security clearance? do you not have any medical problems that will make you unfit to do the job? have you not taken any federally illegal drugs in the last few years? can you do a few basic math problems? if you can answer yes to all of these questions, you get hired. that's what the 2000 number is.

when you get hired by the FAA, those 2000 people don't immediately get to go control traffic at the busiest airport. all ATC candidates must go to the FAA's training academy in OKC for 3-4 months to learn how to control traffic. it's designed to train someone who doesn't even know what a plane is to the basics of controlling traffic, phraseology and proper procedures and all. not everyone makes it through the academy and is a large percent of the attrition rate for applicants.

only after all that do they go to a real facility, but not like LAX. and then they learn some more before touching live traffic.

so overall, i'm not super worried about it. only the people who are actually capable will get though and even then, it will be well over a year before they are controlling on their own if they don't fail training at their facility

[–] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (3 children)

So, be worried in about 6 months then?

about 6 months minimum before they're allowed to talk to real planes, a year and a half minimum after that before they are out on their own. the academy will get rid of a lot of people who truly are not cut out for this type of work, and facility training will get rid of more. tbh i'm not super worried because the job is do it by the book or find another job. if they don't do it right, they won't be talking to real traffic for very long if at all

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What bogus hysteria. Do you have any idea how many people play video games? Would you expect them not to advertise a recruitment drive on television because we don’t want our air traffic controllers to just kick up their feet and watch the screens? Let’s not be idiots.

It’s far more interesting to ask why they need to advertise a recruitment drive. The profession has been losing skilled people because its high skill, high stress, high stakes, and their paycheck gets jerked around every time there’s a government shutdown. Let’s focus on that instead of clutching our pearls over them hiring people who have played video games before.

[–] korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

And... also... Have you seen gamers?

The comments here seem somewhat strange to me for what is likely to be a "gamer" heavy demographic. There's a lot of 'I should stop flying' or otherwise implying that people who, having games as their preferred hobby, will be bad at this. Instead, gamers tend to get really good at a few specific skills such as reaction times, pattern recognition, strategy and min/maxing, etc.

About the only thing I could think making this better would be to select for speedrunners.

That way we get livestreams for APLS - Awesome Planes Landed Safely - and also raise some money for a charity or two.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Absolutely perfect example of what I mean. You want to talk about gamers like they are this specific sub-niche of humans who are all the same.

Would you do this with movies? “People who watch movies are like XYZ and they only have a couple of skills.” What about music? “There’s a music listener in this thread and he said ABC.”

This is why I led with “do you know how many people play video games?” The gaming industry earns more annually than movies and music combined.

You have some stereotype of gamers in your brain, fine. That’s your deal. But “gamers” is just “people” these days. Including me. I’m a gamer. And I say: what bogus hysteria.

[–] korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I guess I wasn't as clear as I could be. I was not implying all gamers had good reaction times, pattern recognition and such. What I meant was that people who play games and consider themselves gamers are generally speaking striving to play those games better, and will often build some skills to pretty significant levels. Some of those skills will be relevant to ATC work.

To your point, this is true of many hobbies or professions and any hysteria against "gamers" being targeted with an ATC ad campaign is dumb.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I think I read your reply too quickly and got your point wrong. My bad.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

For education, plus some more before real traffic

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Sorry was making a joke, that under this admin, they'll push them through, kinda like they do with the rent a cops at ICE.

[–] darthelmet@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

“Air traffic control, please respond. We aren’t able to see the landing strip and we might crash!”

“Sounds like a skill issue. Git gud.”

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)
git: 'gud' is not a git command. See 'git --help'.

The most similar command is
        add
[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Skill issue

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

How is "gamer" defined? Someone who has played video games? Did they also hire 2000 "readers?"

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

like 3/4s of the USA population plays video games these days.

but we assume here it's 'young men who play CoD/madden religiously'. I doubt many of these hires were 40+, or women.

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

How many "lives" are they given?

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

All of them. That’s their job now.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

They call them "pax" in the business.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

Don't forget to quicksave

[–] ClydapusGotwald@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Cool they “hired” but if they fail the tests then they won’t be hired. Which is the main issue. People fail out of the school, because it’s hard and stressful.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah, that's the point though, the schools/training was massively underenrolled.

if the failure rate is 50%, you need twice as many candidates to fill the jobs. more so if it's higher.

we also desperately need more medical staff, but nobody is scrambling to hire young men for nursing and other non-doctor medical roles. they are still predominantly marketed for women

[–] Frettchen@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

In the past I was expecting something clever when the title is us does x. Now it's just like oh what incompetent shit are they now trying.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"Bio break guys. Can we just pause the air traffic for 10 mins?"

[–] tal@lemmy.today 4 points 6 days ago

This was why MMO experience was sought out.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Fortunately I don't need to fly anywhere anytime soon

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

"Tea baging": is a maneuver or stage during the landing of an aircraft. Also "landing flare" and "round out".

[–] dan69@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Assuming is it anything like the scene where in breaking bad. But minus the shitshow of that particular scene?

[–] EastofEdson@piefed.ca 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I played an ATC game on my phone. Was pretty good at it. Can I has job?

[–] villainy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] MadPsyentist@lemmy.nz 1 points 6 days ago

Steady on Captain Rackham. Dont want to spoil the ending now.

[–] owl@infosec.pub 140 points 1 week ago (4 children)

"Seattle Approach, Cherokee 8121K, 20 southwest of Seattle VOR at 7,500, en route Arlington, request transit Class Bravo airspace."
-"LMAO, shut the fuck up *****. Why don't you get gud at being a pilot instead of being carried under tower from support every time looser?"

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

/tower launches anti-aircraft missile and TKs plane, then resigns

[–] justsomeguy@lemmy.world 104 points 1 week ago (5 children)

female pilot voice

[most vile stream of misogynistic insults she's ever heard followed by screeching]

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Another plane is then directed into her path

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[–] CovertOperative@piefed.zip 138 points 1 week ago (7 children)

"We cannot allow you to protect your data."

[–] LilB0kChoy@reddthat.com 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Fox 21 is a local affiliate of Fox based in Duluth, MN. It’s a regional news source for Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota.

I seriously doubt they get enough traffic from GDPR regulated countries to retrofit their entire site to be compliant when it is targeted for a very specific audience in the US.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

they don't need to retrofit their entire website. GDPR does not require the website to do anything, it requires websites to not do certain greedy things. that's all. that's the nice thing, they could just remove all the tracking code and they are compliant.

[–] LilB0kChoy@reddthat.com 1 points 5 days ago

they don't need to retrofit their entire website.

Except they do, because even if they’re pretty certain their site is compliant with GDPR they’d still have to review the code to make certain it is or risk legal liability if anything isn’t.

Many small to medium organizations that aren’t operating outside of the USA chose to just block connections instead.

Is there a lot of people outside the US checking an “affiliate for the Duluth-Superior broadcast area, which covers northeastern Minnesota, northwestern Wisconsin, and the western portion of Michigan’s Upper Peninsula” regularly for their news?

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Yes, but also, it is sad you can automatically safely assume a news site that we only want to display our news will be handling a fuck-ton of our personal information. If it just showed the news and non-targeted ads, it wouldn't need a retrofit. GDPR wouldn't apply.

[–] LilB0kChoy@reddthat.com 0 points 5 days ago

GDPR is a law with real legal consequences that protects EU citizens (EU as in European Union).

Do European citizens frequently turn to an “affiliate for the Duluth-Superior broadcast area, which covers northeastern Minnesota, northwestern Wisconsin, and the western portion of Michigan’s Upper Peninsula” for their news?

Do you spouse it’s easier for a local or regional organization to set policy to block warn GDPR covered connections or have someone spend time ensuring the site is GDPR compliant for the 1s? 10s? 100s? of hits they get?

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