I don't think anyone expects that they are buying the exclusive copyright license for reproduction. People just want to own their copies. You know like with books.
We want this for our games: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
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I don't think anyone expects that they are buying the exclusive copyright license for reproduction. People just want to own their copies. You know like with books.
We want this for our games: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
if only one person can buy GTA 6, how can more than one person rent GTA 6?
Son it's time we talked about fractional reserve banking
Oh really? Then it's not a store, and it's not a sale. It's a leasing office and a lease.
Good point. Don’t say we’re buying it. They use the terminology of ownership when you’re paying money.
Actually this is an alright solution.
They should be forced to change the name of their platform if they want to keep using it. They should be barred from using the term "store".
They can either continue their business model as is, (as "PlayStation Leasing") or they can change their policy to include full ownership of games and the right to transfer the games they own to other accounts.
But they don't get to call it a "store" or use words like "buy" or "sale" if that's not what they're actually offering.
Yep so all the piracy that goes around isn't illegal either right?
They dont need to keep trying to convice me to never buy another Sony/ Rockstar product. They keep giving more reasons though.
Sony convinced me that years ago when they sold me an expensive af dvd camcorder and then they hobbled it so it was unusable unless you edited in their crappy software and exported it through their expensive dongles.
They lost me when they removed basic functionality from the PS3 by update. They lost my dad with betamax.
Also can't forget when they installed a rootkit on your computer for DRM purposes. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck that.
... wait. That's not obvious. If it was obvious, it wouldn't be a "Buy now" it would be like a "Purchase License."
Because thats literally how the rest of the software industry works.
Oh, right, so it's all just one copy that we're all sharing, then? Here's an idea in that case: let's cut out the middleman, and I'll share my copy of it with all of you for an agreed price.
Free is my first, best and final offer.
The solution seems easy enough, don't buy or rent anything from Sony until the issue is resolved.
This is fixable if consumers band together. Nobody needs to game on a PlayStation (or play GTA on PC/PlayStation), we need water, food, shelter not GTA6
The solution seems easy enough, don’t buy or rent anything from Sony until the issue is resolved.
This will never work in America. I know people who already bought a PS5 just for this and pre-ordered (!) the game at $1000000 or whatever they're charging.
Following that logic, pirating software is quite all right, no one is stupid enough to believe someone loses if they make a copy.
Not just software. Anything digital that is protected by copyright. Sony has massive media holdings in the television, movie, and music industries. Here's Wikipedia's list of assets owned by Sony.
Sony can't speak for everybody who owns a copyright, but it does seem like they're making the sort of argument where the logical end result is that they're giving everybody permission to copy any Sony media without paying.
So by that logic, I am the only owner of a 2016 Subaru Impreza in the entire world.

If that's so obvious, then why not state it clearly on the packaging?
If I can't own the game, then you're not getting my money. Piracy is the only way to actually own it.
Do they want piracy? Because that's how you make it morally legitimate.
Morally compulsory I'd say. Don't give them a dime
So when we bought games on disc, who was the one person who owned the game? John Sony San, who lives at the top of Sony Tower in Sony Plaza?
Lol this weasel logic they'll use to justify their petty greed is ridiculous...
Wish people could actually have the willpower to effectively boycott anything enough to later. Happens with iPhone every year, they bitch and moan about it being the hand phone, then go buy one.
Right, like, how "owning" a car means that you need to purchase the entire means of production required to produce said car, including all patents and trademarks.
This guy is somehow multi-rail drifting his pseudo-capitalist argument with like, a cartoon version of communism. It's like he dropped acid and decided to become Frankenstein's Economist.
Ah yes, because I own my pair of jeans, or my hoodie, I'm the only person in the world with a pair of jeans and a hoodie...
A book would be better example.
You might not own the IP, but you sure as hell own an object containing that IP, which you have an eternal, irrevocable and transferrable license to use.
Until they change every storefront to say rent instead of buy/purchase/etc I will believe it.
That's the nice thing in digital; i own a lossless copy of it. Without your DRM, btw.
I'm 37 I won't challenge that, I don't buy digital games until they're at least 50% off. Most of the time I only buy digital games when they're 75-90% off.
Now Sony, Nintendo and Steam (mostly Sony/Nintendo) are misunderstanding me. I've got so many games to play, so many physical games. I don't need the latest EA trash, I don't need the newest boring uninspired PlayStation exclusive.
I've got games for many many months to play. I've got so many SNES, PS1 and PS2 games to play.
And when I run out I've got so many books to read.
American Sony can chortle my balls. I miss PS1, PS2 and PS3 Japanese Sony
That's not what ownership of digital copies means, fuckshits.
A digital file is a physical object and you can make copies for individuals to use. I don't believe the Sony lawyers are stupid enough to believe otherwise.
I just checked with my wife, giving her no context other than checking out, having paid for a game. She doesn't understand and said it's a bunch of bullshit. She doesn't even play games, she just gets them for someone else as a gift.
Apparently you can't gift a game because it's never yours to give.
Sony has been going to shit at LEAST ever since their fucking 2011 hack and online shutdown. Endless stupid decisions one after another. Trash.
There is credible evidence to believe that after Sony JP fumbled the PS3 launch, and was losing market share to the Xbox 360, Sony US stepped in and took the reins after righting the ship in the latter half of that console generation.
This is what I predominantly blame for the myriad of bad (anti-consumer) decisions made from the PS4 onwards.
Sony argues that its current customer-facing disclosures ensure that “reasonable consumers would not be misled” into believing they actually own their digital games.
They can make that argument, but I think they'll have a hard time finding evidence to support it. Judges aren't stupid, but they can be corrupt, however.
I was gonna buy a new PlayStation but now I'm not.
Did they teach this in business school? Repulsing customers for profit.