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Wi-Fi sniffers strapped to drones—Mike Lindell’s odd plan to stop election fraud | Lindell wants to fly drones near polling places to monitor voting machines.::Lindell wants to fly drones near polling places to monitor voting machines.

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[–] db2@sopuli.xyz 73 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People need to stop giving wackos a platform. Seriously.

[–] Shortstack@reddthat.com 21 points 1 year ago

The only platform I support Lindell appearing on is Kimmel's. Kimmel spent the whole time dunking on him while he sat there and laughed like they were buds

[–] KrombopulosMikl@lemmynsfw.com -1 points 1 year ago

I mean it is kinda funny

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh Manic Mike... Tell me your don't understand technology without explicitly telling me you don't understand technology.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 7 points 1 year ago

Yep, his plans will be foiled by a dasterdly Ethernet cable.

[–] fosiacat@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

“I dont understand things. this is what we should do!”

[–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago

This isn't some sort of technical misunderstanding. This is pure horseshit and Lindell knows it too. Republicans know how stupid their base is, and that they don't have the capacity to question brazen nonsense like this.

[–] rusticus@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago

“Stop election fraud”. How about prove there’s fraud first?

Narrator: there isn’t.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Lindell, the My Pillow CEO who helped finance Donald Trump's baseless election protests, "demonstrated" the technology at an event he hosted in Missouri this week (see video).

Lindell said the gadget, which he calls a "WMD" for "Wireless Monitoring Device," detects nearby Wi-Fi networks and MAC addresses.

A Daily Beast article said Lindell's plan might violate Louisiana state laws on criminal trespassing and the use of unmanned aircraft to conduct surveillance.

It's not clear why a router connecting to the Internet would be evidence of election fraud, but Lindell provided that as an example multiple times.

The WMD will put that to the test by detecting and reporting in real time Wi-Fi connections in county and state election offices.

DePerno is facing criminal charges for an alleged attempt to illegally access and tamper with voting machines.


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If I've learned anything about system intended to be secure, it's that you want as many hastily-assembled wireless-enabled devices loitering around them and definitely won't just be an excuse to try and bust in through whichever vulnerabilities the Russian GRU and Chinese MSS have discovered or engineered. Not saying this significantly increases the attack surface over what may already be exposed but no need to add these devices into the mix.

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[–] otter@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lindell said the gadget, which he calls a "WMD"

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The WMD will put that to the test by detecting and reporting in real time Wi-Fi connections in county and state election offices

Is this supposed to see which devices are connecting to the wifi, or the WiFi networks themselves?

[–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It seems to say that it would report any wifi devices MAC address, which would include the devices connecting to the network and the routers providing the network.

But you'll have no idea what they are. They could be anything from a router, to a smart light bulb, to a thermostat, to a security camera, to a cell phone, etc.

I'm sure plenty of polling places will "light up the alarm" - what polling place doesn't have some wifi network for SOMETHING? And some people will have cellphones trying to connect to that network etc.

I don't know specifics about voting machines, but from a security perspective, their network connections should 100% all be hard wired. Wireless just adds more security holes. They should be hard wired and wifi sniffers will never touch that.

So either you get no alarm and it could still be hardwired to the internet, or the alarm goes off and you don't know if it's the voting machine or Billy Joe's iPhone trying to connect to the voting centers open wifi network.

The whole thing is entirely pointless.

[–] Rootiest@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's just dumb people playing on the fears of other dumb people.

Imagine you had no idea what an IP/MAC address or SSID was.

Then imagine Fox News start reporting that Mr Pillow's WMDs have found countless instances of voter fraud, show a big list of MAC addresses.

You'll easily have a large number of people convinced they've seen indisputable proof of voter fraud all over the country

[–] 30mag@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Why does the wifi sniffer need to fly? Couldn't you just walk up to the polling place carrying a wifi sniffer?

[–] imgonnatrythis@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Can we please all assemble as close as possible to these things and use unencrypted connections to download very very gay porn?

[–] WtfEvenIsExistence@reddthat.com 12 points 1 year ago

Better yet, have a militia patrol them and detain anyone attempting voter fraud. Give them a uniform as well, a uniform of brown shirts... wait a minute...

[–] Jackolantern@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

This is such a weird timeline we’re in

[–] sgo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Ok, bear with me on this one: What if… what if the voting machines use Ethernet connections and not Wifi? 🤯😱

[–] Dick_Justice@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe stick to pillows, Mike.

[–] kittyjynx@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

He's not even consistently good at that. I got one as a gift and it was really uncomfortable.

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Wifi sniffers = Russian malware Trojan horses to hack voting machines / tallying computers.

That way republicans will have the irrefutable proof that those machines were hacked (while conveniently leaving out that republicans hacked it).

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Here's a fucking simple solution: use paper vote. It's difficult to fraud at scale.

[–] dirthawker0@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's not about the voting method. These people want to invalidate votes they don't like. Arizona Republicans went on a wild goose chase of looking for bamboo fibers in printed ballots which would "prove" they were printed in China.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

From what I know about American politics I can believe their motive is to invalidate votes they don't like instead of actually preventing election fraud.

My suggestion of paper voting is a tongue-in-cheek recommendation for them to prevent election fraud because it would prevent them from being the ones to do it (at scale).

[–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Even simpler solution: don't take claims of voter fraud seriously when it's the mypillow guy.

[–] rusticus@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

2020 election had 160 million votes. There were 2 cases of fraud for Trump. How about you prove the existing system is fraudulent before suggesting a change?

[–] tabular@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

My understanding is America uses voting machines, which by their very nature is easy to attack without being tracked. How were the 2 cases of fraud detected and did they involve a voting machine?

[–] Hyggyldy@sffa.community 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean there hasn't been any at scale fraud of electronic machines. All of the Ambulatory Tupee's claims have been shown to be false.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

How do you determine that? Voting result aligning with 3rd party polling?

I don't know about those claims nor the specifics of the machines used in America. I fundamentally believe you can't have trustworthy electronic voting due to the undetectable weak-points at every stage. Why Electronic Voting Is a BAD Idea - Computerphile

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[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 5 points 1 year ago

I have had a dig around some of Mike's 'projects', Frank* etc. They all look to have one thing in common ( rather 2, but first thing first), they seem to be there to drive money into Mr pillow's pockets and promote his agenda - does he have plans to run for office?

Secondly - I feel like my brain decreased in size and got smoother while reading some of the shit posted as 'News' on FrankSpeech

[–] radau@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago

Surprised he doesn't want to strap pillows to them

Putting something on or in a drone doesn't make it a good thing...

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that totally seems like something you should use drones for. WTF lol

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Well, what if I told you there was a device that's been made for the first time in history that can tell you that that machine was online?

I'd say you were a time traveler from the 70s?

[–] dynamojoe@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

This will be fun. My voting place is close to an airport and in a NFZ.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

sounds like the police dog thing. you get the dog to bark for any reason and you're allowed screw people over

[–] skymtf@pricefield.org 2 points 1 year ago

This is why all our tech legislation sucks, its made by these people who don't even understand how the internet works.

[–] skoops@lemmy.skoops.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How about you stop using machines to cast your votes? No wifi necessary for pen & paper ballots.

[–] kittyjynx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Bush vs Gore came down to "hanging chads" on paper ballots, paper ballots are just as insecure if not more than voting machines where there is no ambiguity on whether someone is voting for a particular candidate.