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[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 163 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Blaming older generations instead of the powerful and wealthy is dumb and counterproductive.

[–] One_Honest_Dude@lemmy.world 145 points 6 days ago (9 children)

The older generation ceded our power to the wealthy. They went gleefully along with tax policy designed to move money to the top, anti union legislation, increasing costs of education, stymieing environmental regulation, not pursuing and enforcing trust busting measures, offshoring industry, etc , etc. They weren't the driving force, you could claim they were tricked, but it was their own short sighted greed and often bigotry that allowed them to go along with it. And they by and large continue to support all that same shit.

[–] BooBees@fedinsfw.app 70 points 6 days ago

It’s the continued support and denial instead of contrition that makes this meme fine for me. Don’t want to be targeted? Make it right.

[–] DeckPacker@piefed.social 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And Gen-Z helped elect Trump in 2024.

Saying that problems are because if a certain group of people is just dumb analysis. It is always about broader systems of power. Capitalism has it's ways to bend democracy to it's will.

The ruling class wants you to blame the elderly for the problems in the world. Because then you aren't focused on the real issues.

If we really wanna fix problems instead of fighting each other, we need to really stop bigotry in all it's forms and start becoming class conscious.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The older generation ceded our power to the wealthy.

Did they actually? Or are you just saying that?

it was their own short sighted greed and often bigotry that allowed them to go along with it

Did we take any kind of vote on our actual energy policy? Did we collectively decide to build highways over railways or big trucks over dense housing blocks at some point?

Who decided to tear up the streetcars?

The Americans who believe their democracy is real are as bad as the ones who believe climate change is fake.

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Oh, okay- so you’re just cowards who spent half a century allowing it because you didn’t want to risk your relative comfort.

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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 50 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Generational war is a way to distract from class war, and a way to disconnect people from being inspired by the long HISTORY of class struggle.

The 8 hour day? Unions? The wellfare system (such as it is), maybe Grandma was on the picket lines for some of that too? Especially likely if she was poor.

There are labour activists and socialists in every generation.

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[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

somebody voted GOP to have Trump in charge and paying companies to NOT block wind farms, somebody keeps buying giant trucks and voting to rip up bike lanes etc

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[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Ya, my grandma never had a private jet or a megayacht. Not sure how her 300sq ft bungalow she lived in for 40 years and tending a community garden plot led to the environmental and socioeconomical issues we face now.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Environmentalists from the prior generations aren't real. Nobody has ever done anything about climate change ever before and they're not doing anything now and they never will.

That's why the best way to fight climate change is to divide into generational cohorts and scream "Your Fault!" at everyone older.

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[–] TrackenDaKracken@lemmy.world 60 points 6 days ago (3 children)

No war but the class war.

You're just working for the billionaires when you post divisive nonsense like this.

[–] solitaire404@lemmy.zip 21 points 6 days ago (15 children)

True, but it is hard to ignore that the a certain class seems to be centralized/condensed to one generation specifically. And that generation also consistently and energetically supports them to the day they die.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 43 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (10 children)

It's scary and yet many people refuse to believe in climate change. I've had argument with a denier on social media. I can tell that the person is not being deliberately malicious, because he did let up on some points, but he's the type to kick the can down the road and hopelessly hoping to deal with the problem later on. I think a lot of people who handwaves the seriousness of climate change prefer to look the other way. I know far too many people who are like this even if it's not about climate change.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 30 points 6 days ago

I've been the weird environmentally conscious kid for more than 30 years. People's attitudes haven't changed. The arguments haven't changed. You'll still find people who immediately get excited about global warming, because they like warm weather.

Some people are just astonishingly stupid, and yet, they walk around and talk and have jobs and can appear to be normal. That's because they are normal. It is normal to be stupid.

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[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

you guys are seriously gonna throw g-maw under the bus before you adopt systemic criticisms 🫩

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Class warfare? Naaah

Generational warfare!!! WOOOH!!!

[–] axx@slrpnk.net 19 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Meh. Can we have the same meme but with old rich men?

If you want to represent the generations that fucked the climate up for gain, let's pick folks who look a bit more like those who did.

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[–] wraekscadu@vargar.org 29 points 6 days ago (4 children)

It's grandma's fault IF she voted for climate unfriendly folks. Else, this is just edgy genz ageism. Ageism isn't cool.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 25 points 6 days ago (5 children)

My parents and grandparents on both sides were/are straight ticket Republican. Told me climate change was a hoax.

Now parents tell me "well we figure oh well we will be dead by the time really bad stuff happens".

This stereotype exists for a fucking reason.

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[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 32 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

No it isn't. It's a complex issue with enough blame to spread around. Most of the fault lies with the fossil fuel companies that covered up climate change, lied for decades and bought the politicians.

[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] wpb@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (12 children)

If you can vote for politician A and politician B, and both of them are bought by the fossil fuel companies, to what extent are you to blame?

And if citizens can be held accountable for the actions and choices that their goverment has made, even if they have no real say in them, and that government has committed war crime after war crime abroad, killing literal millions, does that mean citizens are a legitimate target for retaliatory attacks? Was the Dresden firebombing justified? Was 9/11 justified? Were the atomic bombs dropped on Japan justified?

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[–] btsax@reddthat.com 26 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Ah yes, I remember when my grandmother spent a century undermining scientific research on climate change through a massive campaign of exaggerating scientific uncertainty and overwhelming news media all while increasing consumption worldwide to 103 million barrels per day and promoting the development of the military-industrial complex to secure her interests

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 27 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Did your Grandma vote for and openly support the massive campaign of exaggerating scientific uncertainty and overwhelming news media all while increasing consumption worldwide to 103 million barrels per day and promoting the development of the military-industrial complex to secure her interests?

If so, then yes she is also at fault for the reason it isn't Cold in October anymore.

[–] btsax@reddthat.com 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Oh another thing my grandmother is personally responsible for is fomenting working class infighting to keep people squabbling and not looking upwards at the people who are the real cause of problems. That was also her specifically.

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[–] YragNitram1956@feddit.uk 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The Trump administration officially eliminated the 2009 EPA "endangerment finding," stripping the federal government of its legal authority to regulate greenhouse gas emissions.The administration rolled back regulatory requirements for automakers, loosening curbs on gasoline-powered vehicle pollution. Trump has heavily promoted a "drill, baby, drill" energy agenda, easing limits on industrial pollutants and attempting to keep aging fossil-fuel infrastructure online. He routinely mocks climate science on social media, frequently pointing to severe winter weather or downward revisions in worst-case climate projections as supposed evidence against global heating.The most uneducated buffoon in history stands at a podium, bloated with self-importance, lips pursed like a carnival barker ready to sell turd milk to the unsuspecting. He grins a grotesque smirk stretched across his face as he scrawls his name onto a hollow decree, a sham celebration of the dismantling of knowledge itself. The Department of Education falls, not with a bang, but with wheezing verbs, suffocated under the weight of his own staggering ignorance. Surrounding him are the usual suspects: cowards in expensive suits, servile sycophants clapping like trained seals, and racist opportunistic ghouls picking clean the bones of democracy. Liars, fools, and thieves all parasites fattening themselves on the hardships of the many. They stand in rigid formation, dead-eyed and soulless, their allegiance sworn not to country, not to principle, but to power, and the dark, festering rot that clings to it. And there he is the convicted wrong, the living embodiment of septic tank spew, his voice a noxious fog of grift and grievance. He lectures the world on right and wrong, irony clawing at the walls, desperate to escape the grotesque theatre of his moral void. The stomach turns, the air curdles, and for a moment, history itself recoils watching, in horror, as the great American experiment teeters on the precipice, led by a man who couldn't spell "precipice" if his life depended on it.

[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I don't hate 'Muricans (with about a 60% notable exception for those who voted orange, or sat idly by)

But I HATE 'Murica

It has always been a shitty, cruel, vulgar place

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

Holy fuck. So this is the start of Super El Nino. I'm gonna call it, "winter that wasn't".

[–] Syndication@lemmy.today 15 points 6 days ago (5 children)

I already didn't get a winter last year. It was 60°F almost the entire time 🫠

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[–] Dhs92@piefed.social 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)

My parents keep saying "it's always been like this here"

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 39 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Funny. My parents say the same thing. "This is just fear mongering. We had warm Autumns in my childhood."

Then I go look into the actual data of what their warmest years were and it's nowhere near what we're experiencing these days.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago

My father watched the snowcaps melt off the mountains, and still supports the sort of people who want more drilling.

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 days ago

You don't even need to go into "actual data" which can be hand waved away as conspiracy by Big Whatevs. Find pictures of the past. Halloween photos, back to school pictures, stuff like that.

Thats been startling here even over 10 years. Last year I was in my shorts and a thin hoodie feeling warm. My phone popped up "memories from 10 years ago" and it was us at the same event in big coats looking cold and miserable.

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 19 points 6 days ago
[–] modestmeme@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago

Yes, grandma started the industrial revolution 200 years ago. Thanks Na Na…

[–] tigermountain@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

So are boomers responsible for everything that's wrong in the world now or just climate change?

[–] LemmySuxNow@reddthat.com 10 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Rich boomers are. Like actually rich.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago

And the poor boomers that vote conservative because they believe in hierarchies, like my parents. The ones that vote for wars and defunding education and are pro corporations.

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[–] nukeforyou@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago

No, its clearly the kids who are at fault.. if they were born 50 years sooner they coulda fixed it

[–] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Gramma's walker probably runs on coal for no goddamn reason

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