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Today i was doing the daily ritual of looking at distrowatch. Todays reveiw section was about a termal called warp, it has built in AI for recomendations and correction for commands (like zhs and nushell). You can also as a chatbot for help. I think its a neat conscept however the security is what makes me a bit skittish. They say the dont collect data and you can check it aswell as opt out. But the idea of a terminal being read by an Ai makes me hesitant aswell as a account needed to use warp. What do you guys think?

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[–] UmbraTemporis@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Warp lost me at the account requirement. You're telling me I need to sign in to a terminal? Seriously? Like with an internet connection? Nope. What if I'm opening my terminal to configure my network? Warp seems to be fixing a problem that doesn't exist. I don't think anyone has looked at a terminal emulator and gone "Yeah, this could use AI and a cloud account".

[–] pelotron@midwest.social 29 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"Alright, now that I'm logged in to my cloud terminal account, let me enter my root password for sudo."

[–] OneCardboardBox@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 8 months ago

You are not in the sudoers file. This incident has been reported and your account suspended.

[–] Secret300@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I would definitely like an AI to remember some complex commands for me. But something small and specifically trained that runs locally

[–] intelisense@lemm.ee 14 points 8 months ago

I use fuck, it's not ai but gets the job done.

[–] walthervonstolzing@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You can define a bunch of aliases in any shell environment for that. Or use a history manager (a database client essentially) that groups commands you've entered so far based on frequency, return value, working dir. when they were issued etc.

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[–] lily33@lemm.ee 42 points 8 months ago (1 children)

AI that can auto generate all those command line arguments I keep forgetting? Sure.

Closed source terminal that requires account? No way.

[–] MashedTech@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

And also, like... Data privacy... My terminal commands and command outputs contain sensitive data. Even company sensitive data. I don't want to be liable.

[–] Adanisi@lemmy.zip 39 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

So,

This is a proprietary and therefore untrustworthy terminal in a space where virtually all the competition is libre/open source.

It's connected to the cloud, therefore insecure and privacy-invasive as there is no reason for something as basic as a terminal to be connected to the cloud. Who wants their SSH keys leaked? Anyone?

They require an account but don't collect data? Sketchy to say the least, a unique account is the perfect tool to collect data and there is no reason a terminal, the most basic interface to the underlying OS should require an online account. It should be tied to the system. (After further reading, apparently they do collect data by default).

It has a built-in AI autocomplete, because apparently normal auto complete isn't good enough (just wait until it tells you to rm -rf /*).

Yeah, no matter how nice it is, I will never accept this terminal.

EDIT: They also forked Alacritty to create a "demo", they took advantage of a libre/open source project for their proprietary terminal and never did so much as thank the authors of Alacritty. That's scummy.

[–] jelloeater85@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

AI can be neat, but this is a solution looking for a problem, like most AI things.

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[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 33 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'm neutral towards AI, what I can't wrap my head around is forcing users to sign in / sign up to use offline apps. Fuck you too, Postman.

[–] paskalivichi@sh.itjust.works 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)

My thoughts are you can fuck the fuck off.

[–] BOFH666@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Totally agree. People using cli are probably more skilled and their knowledge has been fed into these ai models.

So we will all end up with some mediocre level of knowledge, because the next input for the LLM 's will be more of the some old stuff. Flattening the curve and less innovation and smart ideas.

These kind of "solutions" are for a non existing problem. Looking at the investors, this is only about making money.

[–] jwt@programming.dev 28 points 8 months ago

For me to even consider using AI in my terminal, it'd have to meet a couple of requirements:

  • needs to be open source
  • needs to be run without network access
  • needs to be an extensible utility to any terminal program.

(And that's off the top of my head.)

[–] kbal@kbin.melroy.org 23 points 8 months ago (3 children)

To help make skittish people feel at ease with the concept, why not give it a friendly on-screen avatar? Perhaps something like a cute little animated paperclip.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I dunno. Maybe an orange dog? Give it big brown ears.

[–] walthervonstolzing@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago

Also animate it at ~10fps, making it visibly sad when it can't retrieve the files you ask for.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 6 points 8 months ago

Throw in a little whimsical wizard while you're at it.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 5 points 8 months ago

Purple monkey or bust

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 4 points 8 months ago

I prefer a glowing red dot

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[–] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 21 points 8 months ago

I have zero interest in having AI in my terminal. And needing an account to even use warp is a non starter for me.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The terminal seems like the very last place I’d want A.I. I’m usually using it specifically to be precise and don’t just run commands I don’t understand. If you forget some long command, just use history |grep whatever and see what it was. (And then turn it into an alias or function.)

[–] harsh3466@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Exactly. I generally like typing out my commands because I’m learning and it helps me remember what I’m doing and what the commands mean/how they work. And if it’s a particularly long one I’ll make an alias for it.

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[–] Trent@lemmy.ml 19 points 8 months ago

Absolutely not. And they can fuck right off with that whole needing an account to use a terminal thing.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What's my thoughts? My thoughts are FUCK relying on the internet for basic things. So no "AI terminal" for me. This is yet another way to mine data cloaked in futurism.

[–] electricprism@lemmy.ml 19 points 8 months ago

Big fat N-O

[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] MashedTech@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Here's my opinion. This terminal app is inefficient as fuck. I feel like it's too much bloat for what a terminal should be. She'll Completions have existed since forever, I don't get what's bringing new with that. And all these AI's that just resell chatgpt are getting expensive. "Please pay me 10$ a month to have OpenAI in your " . If I were to activate all the AI subscriptions in all the apps I use it would go over 100$. If I need ChatGPT I will just go on their website and get it from there. It's even cheaper that way, 20$ for unlimited use.

[–] MashedTech@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And also sharing info with your team THROUGH THE TERMINAL? WHAT KINDA SHIT IS THAT. That should be documentation in THE REPOSITORY, IN THE PROJECT. You're just fragmenting information, and it's going to make it harder for you to keep it up to date and for people to find it.

[–] MashedTech@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

And... I don't want to force on my team "hey you have to use this terminal otherwise you won't have the info". I feel like with this I would be encroaching on their personal space and way of using their computer.

[–] MashedTech@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Kitty terminal with my zsh plugins are far better than asking me for an account on your terminal.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 months ago
[–] gmhh@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

DO NOT WANT!

[–] Ozy@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

I don't like generative AI in my tools. The little prompt that explains a command and arguments that can be passed as you type is nice, I will give it that, but AI should not be any part of it. Fuck right off with it.

[–] Presi300@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I'm not the biggest fan of the forced account thing, but I do like a lot of Warp's features. The command suggestions especially make dealing with tools that have like 1000 switches so much easier (like docker for example). Other than that... It's easy to customize, fast and looks good.

Tl;Dr: I like Warp, cry about it.

[–] ABeeinSpace@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Command suggestions can be provided by the shell too for what it’s worth. fish ships with autosuggestion and autocompletion. For zsh, you need a separate plugin (but it’s well worth it)

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[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 7 points 8 months ago

Well that's a new way to rm -rf /

No thx

[–] vhstape@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like a major security risk. All it takes is one "hallucination" (and an overly trusting engineer) from the latest and greatest bullshit generator to compromise an entire network

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[–] Fisch@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago

I don't know what AI could bring to the table in this case that you can't do without it already. Command completions or fixing typos works without using AI. If there was an actual benefit, I'd be open to try it out but only by using an open source LLM running locally. I'm definitely not creating an account and paying a monthly subscription while not even being able to use it offline.

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Terminal with GUI drop down menus every time you try and type something seems like the kind of Terminal a microsoft executive would dream up

[–] else@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 8 months ago

tldr, fzf-tab suffices for me. For anything else you may give shellgpt a try. But I love my Alacritty with a zsh and p10k.

[–] nycki@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

optional autocomplete is a nice-to-have, eager autocomplete is a pain in the ass. as long as it only completes when I ask it to, I don't mind.

[–] Rand0mA@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This is faily easy to build using offline models. Only problem is GPU whirring away running typically light terminal commands.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

Local AI.

To complete complex commands.

Make ne feel like taking to a Star Trek ship computer.

[–] notannpc@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

If I have to use a cloud service or create an account to use the terminal, it’s a no for me dawg.

Did warp ever follow through with allowing folks to use it without signing into your GitHub account?

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I really enjoy Warp. It’s sleek and modern, plus it saves me a lot of time with its advanced autofill features. It also gives me helpful suggestions for minor edits if I’m making small errors that keep a command from running.

I haven’t used the chatbot, but I have found the user experience of the program to be better than most other terminals I’ve used before.

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