Sometimes the B plot is the worst thing aired in an otherwise stellar episode.
Example: "Endgame" Voyager's Finale. Great episode except for the whole Chakotay/Seven romance subplot.
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It kind of relates to how Ta'Pol loses her mind by the end of Star Trek Enterprise
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Guy, Guy, Guy... Fairhaven and not Threshold?
I'd still prefer those over Tattoo, where they scrambled to shoehorn in an alien explanation for Chakotay's odd Native beliefs after it was discovered that the consultant on Native beliefs they hired was a complete fraud.
Uuh, do you have a link to that story? I always found that episode so weird
I understand why they did it though. They had to do something and they couldn't just say "well, Chakotay was a fake indigenous American all this time."
They should have been more up-front about the whole thing, but I can see why they did it.
They could have kept most of that episode as a character background filler without the aliens traveling 70000 lightyears over multiple generations just to visit some primative tribe with no language on some backwater planet. That part seems to be the most awkward to shoehorn in.
Don't forget that the technologically superior visitors who brought culture to the primitive natives were given the distinct visual design of being white. Nope, no unfortunate implications there.
I'm not saying they did it well. I'm saying they were kind of forced into it.
I feel like they could have just stopped focusing on his made up culture. He could still bring up authentic bits of culture and trivia when relevant, but it could be featured about as prominently as Picard's french heritage, rather than dominating the character like Worf's klingon heritage.
They could maybe even throw in a line at some point about how much of his people's heritage is lost due to that nuclear holocaust thing that messed the Earth up a bit back in the day. Acknowledge the disconnect with reality connecting it to the established lore.
Or it would have been fun to find out that he's actually the descendant of a fraud and the whole culture he was raised to believe in was a scam. But that might have been a little too on the nose.
Oh is that why that episode was created? I had no idea.
I'll give them credit on hushing it up. I watched Voyager as it aired and I didn't find out about the fraud "Native American" they hired until years later.
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I feel like you are overselling "Alliances," but to be fair, this shot was pretty cool
They definitely blew the effects budget for the season, though. They put it in the commercial and I swear, it was every other commercial on UPN that week.
That’s Award-Winning Threshold!
To be fair, the makeup department won that award and absolutely deserved it.
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Lizard sex ghost sex it's all fappable.
Thanks, I hate it. And I nearly spat out my coffee.
I wonder if Bev spit or swallowed the ectoplasm.
I'm not supposed to ban people for making me want to vomit, but you sure make me want to have my mod powers taken away right now.
Ick.
(I don't actually want to ban you.)
Is it even truly a shit post if a mod doesn't step in to comment on it?
"He slimed me."
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May I present to you, SUB ROSA!
Followed shortly after by All Things Good.
The worst and best TNG episodes were only 12 episodes apart.
I still say 'doctor fucks candle ghost' is better than 'captain and pilot turn into amphibians, have babies, then get turned back into people but the babies stay on the planet.'
‘captain and pilot turn into amphibians, have babies, then get turned back into people but the babies stay on the planet.’
"And despite The Doctor knowing how to reverse this side-effect, Voyager doesn't ever use the tech again." Don't forget that part.
Isn't that Voyager though? I was just talking about TNG. I haven't made it that far in Voyager yet. I'm currently watching it. So far I'm not impressed, but I'm going to wait until at least season 3 to pass judgement since even TNG and DS9 don't really pick up until later seasons.
Uh, Voyager Had a very ruff start and is objectively garbage until the end of season 3. After that it has a few cool episodes. But then it also makes the Borg boring by overusing them.
It can't be worse than Picard. Every time they wanted some hand wavey magic they'd just go "Borg tech!" rather than try to explain it. It was so bad by the end of the series that I didn't even want to watch it anymore, despite having my favorite cast and beautiful new SFX.
Seasons 4 & 5 of Voyager are ita strongest. When it was still airing and in the final season I got my first job and bought a bunch of vhs tapes to record the newest season as it aired, and I started 'best of' tapes from reruns. They were dominated by those two seasons.
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As someone who is only trek-curious, the problem I often have in this sub is finding fucking amazing shit like this but not knowing which episode it is! How the fuck do I even massage that animorph broken family story into a search query?
And I am certainly not going to put 'Doctor fucks candle ghost' into Google.
Update: I guess I lied, because I certainly did put it into Google. Should I buy this scented candle? https://files.catbox.moe/fpq4i8.png
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What ghostfuckery is this
Sub Rosa is awful, but I'm not even sure if it makes the top 5 worst episodes of TNG. Code of Honor, Justice, The Neutral Zone, and Shades of Grey definitely have it beat. And there's several others I'd probably rank as being sub Sub Rosa, but which I would have to rewatch to be certain.
Maybe it's just that Sub Rosa has a distinct "so bad it's good" quality. The superstitious groundskeeper, the fog taking over the enterprise, zombie grandma, it's all so ridiculous in just the right ways, so I can't help but get a few laughs out of it. That's a lot more than I can say about those other episodes.
The one no one ever seems to mention is Transfigurations. It comes right before The Best of Both Worlds (another arguably best episode) and is so incompetently written that it doesn't feel like a real episode. It legitimately feels like they didn't have a real script, just a jumble of notes from a brainstorming session in the writing room where they couldn't decide what they wanted the episode to be about. It just meanders from one cliche premise to the next, with vestigial remnants of subplots still dangling off of it. And for the icing on the cake, the climax it builds up to is a guy in a morph suit pretending to be an energy being, an effect that might have been barely passable in standard definition, but which looks like something that would get laughed off of a power rangers set when watching in HD.
It's probably not the worst episode since it isn't painful or offensive, but it's still a dumpster fire that would fit in better among bad fanfics than actual episodes. I swear, they must have kept it out of the episode rotation too, because I didn't even know it existed until fairly recently.
Code of Honor is a terrible one. I guess I usually exclude pre-beard TNG from my lists since they're all pretty bad. But the bad ones after it gets good really stand out since it's such a stark contrast in writing quality. Another very bad one is Masks, where Data becomes the mouthpiece for an Aztech god, but I don't usually call it bad because it's such a treat to watch Spiner going all out with his performance. He seems to be having a legitimately fun time with that role.
Code of Honor is so bad I thought for sure it was an unproduced TOS script they decided to recycle for TNG. Nope! Brand new story made for TNG. Astounding given that I'm pretty sure it would've been out of place even during TOS's run.
Then again, the pitch wasn't specifically for pseudo-African aliens. Someone else added that:
The African theme of the episode was brought in by director Russ Mayberry, who had the Ligonians race cast entirely from African-American actors. Mayberry was fired during production by the show's creator Gene Roddenberry, and First Assistant Director Les Landau completed the episode. Star Trek novel author Keith DeCandido later recalled that this was because of the casting itself, while cast member Wil Wheaton (Wesley Crusher) thought that it was because Mayberry was racist towards the guest stars after they were cast.
Even without that though the underlying "Strong Woman Suddenly Weak When Faced With Average Man" theme was pretty bad.
Alright, I'm done making new comments ranting about Code of Honor, I promise.
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Transfigurations at least has a consistent main theme and message, and bad as the final special effect is (my dude I can see the texture on the zentai suit you're wearing) the resolution and the way it unfolds are very Trek, especially the semi-hopeful note of "they're jerks but only because they're ignorant and they might change once they know better." It's easier to forgive a lot of the awkward stuff in the middle when the end is on brand.
Meanwhile, Sub Rosa's only message seems to be "ain't no fuckin' like ghost fuckin'."
Also, I maintain that Code of Honor is the worst episode of TNG by far. Even discounting the uncomfortably possibly racist undertones throughout, the whole thing is full of incredibly regressive and outdated stereotypes of gender even for the time. Also it's just kinda boring.
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How do you need up the name of All Good Things...?
What?
May I present to you, SUB ROSA!
sabrosa? the spanish word for delicious?
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TIL people don't like Fair Haven.
I mean it's not the best or anything but I thought it was kinda fun.
Fair Haven fan crew rise up!!
It was. And I'm tired of pretending it's not.
Code of Honor anyone?
Only episodes that exist count.
I like this reality better than mine.
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