So if china has tech that effectively tracks our movements and personal information, can we investigate ford, GM, nissan, and other manufacturers for the same thing? Or is it just china.
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Don’t even need to do an investigation. If you read Mozilla’s auto manufacturer privacy report, auto makers openly admit to spying on everyone to a repulsive degree. And then sell all that info to anyone they want with no way to opt out, well other than buying an older car without any connectivity.
Yeah.
It's OK for us Americans to fuck each other in the ass. But NO Chinese ass fucking allowed!
Government isn't worried about your privacy. They are worried about national security. Another country being able to track diplomats, generals, other high value targets for kidnapping or espianoge.
Teslas were banned from some areas in China three years ago for this.
What happened about the free market thing Americans liked to preach about? Not funny when it's someone else free market?
Now now it's only okay for US corporations to spy on its citizens.
You can stop a lot of that spying, but Americans seem OK with paying the price for perceived convenience.
Lol like China supports a free market.
Free market capitalism is only what they want when it benefits the 1%.
I swear to Satan if I ever buy a new car I am ripping out anything that even resembles something that can broadcast. I want a fucking clock and a fucking fm radio and nothing else smart!
Good luck. Everything these days is touchscreen with no actual buttons. I disable Bluetooth and never connect, but the car still gets online somehow
Because it has it's own cellular modem. You need to pull the fuse.
Be carful some cars will just brick themselves if u do that.
No they won't
ITT: A ton of people who know nothing about Chinese-made EVs and are crying about issues they don't understand.
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Chinese cars are not made to the safety standards required by the US.
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Most Chinese car manufacturers are subsidized by the Chinese government, meaning they have their hands directly in the process.
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The Chinese government would use the leverage of cheaper cars to destroy domestic US production with their cheap, garbage cars.
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The Chinese government would load these cars with spyware and viruses to steal information from US companies, citizens, and US government employees.
China does not act in good faith and cannot be trusted.
Chinese cars are not made to the safety standards required by the US.
Valid concern
Most Chinese car manufacturers are subsidized by the Chinese government, meaning they have their hands directly in the process.
Yes, the state has a large part in the Chinese economy. Why is this an issue, when corporate control of production is also not good in the US?
The Chinese government would use the leverage of cheaper cars to destroy domestic US production with their cheap, garbage cars.
American cars, by and large, are terrible. Fords and FCA products especially are unreliable junk. If you want good, reliable, quality vehicles, you go Japanese, not American. I went to school to be a mechanic and work in the automotive industry. I seriously doubt China could make a worse transmission than the last gen focuses, or a worse engine than the 1.5l Ecoboost.
The Chinese government would load these cars with spyware and viruses to steal information from US companies, citizens, and US government employees.
American companies do the same stuff for advertising purposes.
The American gov just don't want China to beat them at their game lol
Most Chinese car manufacturers are subsidized by the Chinese government, meaning they have their hands directly in the process.
This is a weird argument considering half of our car companies wouldn't be around if the government didn't give them money.
Yes, the state has a large part in the Chinese economy. Why is this an issue, when corporate control of production is also not good in the US?
Allowing a hostile foreign government to take over our transportation industry is really dumb. They could just as easily raise all the prices, brick cars, refuse to repair, or worse. Corporations suck, but China is an actual threat to the entire country.
American cars, by and large, are terrible. Fords and FCA products especially are unreliable junk. If you want good, reliable, quality vehicles, you go Japanese, not American. I went to school to be a mechanic and work in the automotive industry. I seriously doubt China could make a worse transmission than the last gen focuses, or a worse engine than the 1.5l Ecoboost.
Your broad, sweeping statement is just your opinion and applied as if it were fact. You even agreed with my first point about their cars lacking safety requirements. "Made in China" is a joke. What 'school' did you go to to become a mechanic?
American companies do the same stuff for advertising purposes.
Whataboutism is a losing argument. I'd rather get targeted ads than death threats or secret police from the Chinese government. Consider how much IP they steal every year, then give them blackmail content and knowledge to hack passwords. No one would be safe.
None of your points have sufficient evidence or weight to even consider them. China cannot be trusted and would destroy the US if it could.
Allowing a hostile foreign government to take over our transportation industry is really dumb.
Would you apply the same logic if China banned Buicks, which are popular there?
They could just as easily raise all the prices, brick cars, refuse to repair, or worse.
You mean like John Deere, an American company?
Your broad, sweeping statement is just your opinion and applied as if it were fact.
No, this is demonstrable fact. There's a reason Ford has gotten class action lawsuits (plural) about their horrendous vehicles.
What 'school' did you go to to become a mechanic?
I went to a local community college and technical school. Why is this relevant? Do you want a photo of my associate's?
Whataboutism is a losing argument. I'd rather get targeted ads than death threats or secret police from the Chinese government.
This is just red scare 2.0 nonsense. It's okay when your guys do it, just not the scary scary Chinese.
Consider how much IP they steal every year
Good.
None of your points have sufficient evidence or weight to even consider them. China cannot be trusted and would destroy the US if it could.
And the US wants to do the same to China, or every other country that doesn't bend over for it. The US is not the good guy.
All that stuff is legit and China does suck. Simultaneously we need a concerted effort to stop US car companies from farming our data. We basically need FOSS car systems.
Uh huh.
"Hey Biden, it sure would be a shame if those affordable electric cars posed a security risk. Here's some campaign money."
But don't look behind the curtain!
I smell bullshit.
Sounds like someone(s) getting paid off to keep inexpensive EVs out of the hands of Americans.
China has been caught red-handed, on numerous occasions, using spyware built into tech that comes from that country. No bullshit. Fuck China.
And the vehicle makers (or hell - any manufacturers of anything) haven’t?
I’m perfectly fine with the fuck China mentality but the US needs to get over the fuck the consumer / fuck its citizen mentality. Much of that is driven too often by our politicians who are getting their pockets greased by these asshole corporations.
I agree with you 100%
This is the end game of capitalism, and it sucks.