this post was submitted on 28 Aug 2023
1604 points (98.0% liked)

News

23259 readers
3218 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Pope Francis condemned the "very strong, organised, reactionary attitude" in the US church and said Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Pope Francis has blasted the “backwardness” of some conservatives in the US Catholic Church, saying they have replaced faith with ideology and that a correct understanding of Catholic doctrine allows for change over time.

Francis’ comments were an acknowledgment of the divisions in the US Catholic Church, which has been split between progressives and conservatives who long found support in the doctrinaire papacies of St John Paul II and Benedict XVI, particularly on issues of abortion and same-sex marriage.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] ZombieZookeeper@lemmy.world 295 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Now the pos conservatives are gonna start calling the pope woke. 🤣🤣🤣

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 184 points 1 year ago (22 children)

They're already doing that, have been for a long time. I have a Baptist coworker who thinks Catholicism isn't real Christianity...

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had a Catholic coworker who said some of her Catholic relatives were becoming “Christians”, which turned out to mean Evangelicals.

[–] Pat12@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I had a Catholic coworker who said some of her Catholic relatives were becoming “Christians”, which turned out to mean Evangelicals.

in the US they refer to Protestants as "Christians", mainstream Christianity is made up of Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants

load more comments (8 replies)
[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Baptist coworker who thinks Catholicism isn't real Christianity...

I've seen a lot of that and not just recently.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] dartos@reddthat.com 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think all religions are just fake copycats of the one true god.

Praise be Flying Spaghetti Monster

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] NotYourSocialWorker@feddit.nu 16 points 1 year ago

I mean, most protestant Christians dislike Catholicism, that's why they are called protestants after all.

The new part is American evangelicals and other extremists thinking that catholicism not being conservative enough...

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Conservative Protestants have been saying that for a very long time though. The attitude is so pervasive that my wife, who grew up Catholic (but has not been one for decades), has to be reminded that Catholics are Christians.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Not for nothing but that claim is hardly new. Goes back to the Reformation.

load more comments (16 replies)
[–] 30mag@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It sounds like they've already been doing that according to this article.

Many conservatives have blasted Francis’ emphasis instead on social justice issues such as the environment and the poor, while also branding as heretical his opening to letting divorced and civilly remarried Catholics receive the sacraments.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
[–] ButtholeSpiders@startrek.website 263 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

my god that is the best meme ever

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 115 points 1 year ago (5 children)

These christians will drop their Pope before they drop their politics

[–] match@pawb.social 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The pope? They'll drop Jesus Himself if it suits them

[–] NotYourSocialWorker@feddit.nu 23 points 1 year ago

They already have. Been reports of congregations who have complained the the words of Jesus are too woke and weak...

[–] brihuang95@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

does anyone know off the top of their head how/when Christianity became so tightly associated with the Republican party? No way it was always so extreme in US history

[–] atempuser23@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Having lived though it in the 1990’s there was a marked turn in the politicizing of Christianity. There was a rise of mega churches and politicians who worked to make churches align to the Republican Party for government assistance. The money for what was welfare was shuffled to churches to take up services that once were secular.

The whole tenor of conversion changed. It just got mean and only got worse from there.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pope Francis is completely right.

[–] Ashiette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemm.ee 71 points 1 year ago (32 children)

Religion is the biggest scourge against humans. Controlling behavior, brainwashing the young and stolen untold trillions of $$. Fuck religion. They all need to be labeled as cults and treated as harshly.

[–] ApexHunter@lemmy.ml 48 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Religion, at its core, is basically rules that state "don't be a dick." Unfortunately, all of the dicks didn't get the message.

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's not "don't be a dick'.

It's "do as we want you to do"

Plenty of the rules are "be a dick, like this:"

Plenty of the rules are "don't do this objectively harmless thing"

Plenty of the rulez are "do this ridiculously pointless thing"

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (12 replies)
[–] Archer@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"

We're doing pretty good on the king front, lets work on the priests a bit

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] vettnerk@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Cult" is just something the big congregation calls the small congregation.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] ChewTiger@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (9 children)

IDK, if we're comparing scourges against humanity I'd say "the rich" in general are worse, be they kings, CEOs, religious icons, politicians, or whatever. Their pursuit of money and the power to keep that money corrupts everything. They ruin everything from companies to countries and even religions (makes them even worse).

Really though, the most evil thing is cancer. It kills indiscriminately and tortures its victims the whole way. Even if you win, you never get the peace of knowing it's truly gone. True evil.

load more comments (9 replies)
load more comments (28 replies)
[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 64 points 1 year ago (3 children)

first Jesus, now the pope is woke? At what point do I start considering that maybe I'm actually the asshole here?

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] atempuser23@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I have found this to be true. The current pope is doing a lot of work to bring Catholicism into the modern age. Starting with acknowledging and addressing in material ways the history of abuse.

There is going to be , or should be , a full on schism in the US church. The parishioners I practice with are more for the Republican Party than for the pope. They basically are waiting for him to die and ignoring doctrine that does not match ‘how it used to be’ Ya know with all of the sexual abuse and bigotry.

load more comments (12 replies)
[–] aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

New Pope diss track just dropped.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] WorldWideLem@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the fruits of the GOP strategy that's been going on for decades to strengthen their support through Christian believers. The Pope is just recognizing the impact of that from the religious side, whereas Barry Goldwater warned of it's impact from the political side.

Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.

It certainly is a terrible damn problem, and we're knee deep in the shit right now.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] fer0n@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Being called "backwards" by the head of the catholic church is quite something

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Broken clock right twice a day, etc.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

American conservatives really hate that this pope prioritizes Jesus-y stuff like love, forgiveness, and taking care of your fellow humans.

I have a bunch of Catholic family members that are much more into being angry, fighting to shove dogma down everyone’s throat, and not helping anyone that doesn’t sit in the pew next to them.

load more comments (7 replies)
[–] ineedaunion@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure it was a Roman Catholic priest that burned all the Mayan texts. The Roman Catholic Church is the largest destroyer and oppressor that ever existed.

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Pope is 100% correct on this one. But on terrorist state ruzzia, he misses the mark by a mile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirI4eSTNag

[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It's organized crime and mob taking over America. And they are already in...

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] LetterboxPancake@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I mean he's right, but maybe he wants to add his institution to that list as well.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean the church caused a lot of this.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›