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Adobe charging a subscription fee for LR & PS.
All these YT photographers charging money for their “become a better photographer” courses that promise nonsense.
The race to the bottom in wedding photography for lowest price.
Instagram… need I say more?
I was lucky enough to buy a cs6 serial key before it was subscription (for web, only recently got into photography) would you say LR is worth the subscription for a hobbyist? it wasn't included in the package wayback when
i bought a capture one perpetual license and never looked back. if your budget is free, you can combo with Paint.Net and RawTherapee
Darktable. Works quite well.
Personally I’d say it’s worth it because I feel like editing is half the process and so far LR/PS has been the only software that works for my own process and art making. There are other software option though that work great! I think in general, whatever editing software you vibe with is worth it
At some point your version of CS will stop being updated (if it hasn't yet) and you'll have no choice but to to go the CC if want the newer features or if you get a camera with a raw file your old software doesn't support.
This has certainly already happened. Haven't gotten PS updates since around 2019; until I got into photography recently I just didn't feel I needed the new features is all
Very recently I tried taking a photo in RAW and ps wouldn't load it, so i started considering CC for LR
I swear by Affinity. It's like $40 for a perpetual license, and almost as good as Photoshop. More polished in many ways.
Does it do what LR does? Cs6 has an older version of PS that i have nearly a decade of experience with, so it's been too be able to do what LR can do for me to consider swapping over
I'm a hobbyist, the Lightroom and Photoshop subscription has well been worth if to me. People here always go on about how their copy of cs6 will never expire, while I smile and nod with my gpu-accelerated, ai-enhanced super tool that does in minutes for a hundred photos what takes them hours in Photoshop.
I'm thinking about giving the subscription model a go. I've been using CS5 for years. I reckon the features they've added since I last purchased it could save me a lot of time in the long run.
This is probably the biggest seller for me.
Very well, you have convinced me sir. I shall try the subscription
Very cool. Can't hurt to give it a whirl, I think you can save a bit if you commit to a whole year at a time, I don't quite recall though.
I agree. Between 2010-2020 things didn't change nearly as much as adobe has in only the past 3 years. These days if with AI things change fast and you're missing out if you're not updating somewhat regularly. Can you still get the same result with 2018 software? Sure, but it's going require more time and effort than if you use the newest versions.
Subscription model can be annoying, and especially so when it was new. But these days it has a lot of upsides and I prefer it.
I was pretty unhappy when I upgraded my computer and my old Photoshop CS6 stopped working. Affinity Photo does the job, too, but I have a lot of Photoshop muscle memory to relearn.
I hate subscriptions fees for software and wish I could get a lifetime license for LR.
I still pay for it because I like having my library saved on their cloud and accessible from my computers and smartphone, especially when I'm traveling.
Adobe has been subscription based now for over a decade I think. Doesn’t really work anymore to whine about that.
Also, as much as people hate subscriptions, Adobe doing it has overall been a REALLY good thing, cause it has removed the barrier to entry for sooo many people.
People forget how unbelievably prohibitively expensive the Adobe products used to be, especially if you wanted the full suite.
Point 1: agree! But it’s not that much when you consider it a business expense.
Point 2: I’m convinced half the people out there offering coursed just watched someone else’s course and changed a couple things around.”
Point 3: Phones have made the non-photographer believe that anyone can take great photos, so it only makes sense that they don’t want to pay a premium for “something my nephew could do.”
Point 4: I stopped posting on instagram when I realized most of the people liking my photos probably looked at them for less than three seconds.
Point 1: I don’t have a problem with the price. It’s the spending money every month for a piece of software.
Point 2: You are absolutely correct. Same thing for these people who sell presets for LR.
Point 3: I have actually heard “my nephew can do it for a case of beer”. I smile and say “Hey no worries, we all have to start somewhere.”
Point 4: I quit posting when I realized the only photos that gained traction were photos of bands that they would turn around and use on their IG and FB without bothering to give credit. Or my favorite, “Hey my girlfriend is a photographer and wants your raws can you hook her up?”
That last one about the girlfriend. Yikes.
Adobe is one of the worst companies ever.
They created a bunch of programs that have become commonplace in the business environment but then you cant use them unless you pay them constantly.
There is no justifiable reason, other than money, that they cant offer individual lifetime license for a given iteration of a program. Like why cant I just pay a single fee to be able to use this year's iteration of acrobat pro indefinitely, with limited future updates provided.
Like I really gotta fuckin pay this company $20 a month to be able to use the pdf format efficiently?
Can ya at least let me get like 3-4 versions old software at a one time fee so I can at least edit pdfs and add signature blocks and shit??? I mean come the fuck on.
Shit should be a crime.... image if you had to pay microsoft or apple a monthly fee to be able to log in to your computer.
Abode is one of the sleezest companies on the planet.
Sony hype influencers. Yuck. Bokeh influencers. Why.
Ive seen some amazing shots taken on old dslrs. Never once thought "wow what a terrible camera"
To be fair, when it comes to wedding videography, Sony really does excel. The true test of autofocus is a wedding video with lighting effects that are all over the place. You'll have flashing lights and a fog machine but also really dark shadows closer to the floor and the lights are strobing so your actual baseline light levels are EXTREMELY low. That's where dynamic range and really good autofocus come into play. The colors of competitor cameras might be better or more preferred by some, sure. But from a usability perspective, I'd take Sony any day of the week.
I don’t even wanna know what the fuck a ”bokeh influencer” is.
YOU NEED this AMAZING LENS to shoot MORE PROFESSIONAL PHOTOS. Their game is shoot never stopped below f1.2, cry about autofocus, bully people that dont have at least full frame and always claim that the least amount of actually sharp stuff in a pic is more pro. Half a pupil is in focus.
I said I don’t wanna know 😡
Now you do anyways, enjoy Ü
"But...bokeh bro...look at the creamy bokeh bro"
I switched to On1 Photo Raw and never looked back.
Same. On1 Photo Raw and Davinci Resolve, never missed Adobe.
So you find it a pet peeve that Adobe charges for their product monthly.. yet you also believe photographers shouldn’t race to the bottom for wedding photos.. why afraid you won’t be able to afford the $9.99 you pay for Adobe products once the race to the bottom is won..
/s
I think the Adobe Photography plan for €9.99 is a pretty good deal. It’s Capture One that bugs me for constantly price gouging and adding useless features while slacking on making pro features reliable.
It's a pretty good deal if you are a professional or very serious hobbyist. But I think the main gripe is the subscription. You just end up paying it for life, and that is a hell of a lot of money in your lifetime, especially if you are more of a casual hobbyist.
Honestly Adobe photography plan (Photoshop + Lightroom Classic) is a pretty good deal.
Before, you had to shell out like $300 for Lightroom alone. Almost $1000 for Photoshop.
If you're a professional, you could justify it. If you're a hobbyist, that's as much money as a nice lens.
But it's not the end of the story here either, since you didn't get free major version updates. If you suddenly decided to splurge on the latest and greatest camera, you needed to buy a new version of Lightroom so it could actually support it. If you got a new lens and Lightroom didn't have a built in correction profile in your version, you also had to splurge.
This is like $1300 every 3-4 years, or you have to sail the high seas (Yarr me hearties).
Now, it's $120/year. It's a much more palatable amount of money to pay for someone who's not a dentist.
A lot of these YT photographers aren't that great themselves, especially a lot of the street photographers. They just walk down the street taking run and gun photos of all the good looking girls they see then 'slap' a filter on. And most of the photos aren't even of them doing anything interesting or in interesting light, they are literally just walking.
That's the whole point of competition buddy.