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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 6 hours ago (6 children)

My only question is why Picard is the only captain to apparently have done it before or afterward (aside from Janeway in Prodigy, and keeping the kids under control during the secret mission would require special circumstances).

[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Aren't you forgetting someone?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 42 minutes ago

You are correct. I did forget him.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 hour ago

That crew is as stuffed with mental issues as a Thanksgiving turkey is stuffed with stuffing.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Because the time frame that TNG takes place in. It was a peaceful era and the Galaxy Class ship was designed for prolonged exploration and ambassador missions. Due to the long periods in space the Federation designed the ship to accommodate families of the Starfleet officers. That's also why the ship could separate, the battle bridge could go into combat while the civilians stayed behind in the saucer section. With these long voyages and family aboard they thought it was important to include mental health being an importance, so important that Troi was a bridge officer.

Voyager was a smaller ship made purely for scientific research and wasn't supposed to be gone for so long. Also, after the discovery of the Borg, the Federation changed their ship designs to have more combat in mind.

discovery of the Borg, the Federation changed their ship designs

They hired a Klingon consultancy firm which suggested 'Shoot first, and then have diplomatic conversations with their corpses.' as the improved Federation policy.

So really, don't need an empathic counselor.

[–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

If I'm remembering correctly, Troi's seat was reserved for subject specialists, so the captain could immediately consult with an expert on whatever it was they were dealing with at that time. An empath and counselor makes sense for Picard as one of Starfleet's best diplomats, I think. I suspect other Starfleet captains we meet have other priorities (ahem, Janeway on VOY)!

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 4 points 5 hours ago

Before she became First Officer and switched seats, Commander Shelby sat in that seat.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

That does make sense.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 11 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

If you want to know the actual reason is that Roddenberry planned for his wife (Marjel Barrett) to be Number 1 in TOS and basically have the ship deeply dependent on her. The Studio canned the idea, and she was relegated to playing nurse Chapel.

So TNG was a chance to revive the idea with Counsellor Troi looking after the whole ship via her job, but this too was downgraded so she was just another character on the show rather than the center of the crew's lives.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 6 hours ago

That doesn't surprise me, but it does surprise me that all future Star Trek people (outside of Prodigy) treated it like it wasn't standard, and yet no one ever really said anything about it beyond Jellico making her put on a real uniform.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

Well, impaths were rare in the federation, and this one could sense things over extreme distances. Why any creature would need to evolve the ability to sense feelings from orbit, I have no idea.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 hours ago

TNG tried a lot of things. remember the outright hostility towards wesley crusher? not doing that again lol

also they brought up the question "what if your lover was trill and got a new host body of a different gender," which DS9 answered beautifully