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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 42 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

It's simple.

The Democrats shouldn't have wasted a year of campaign time running a cognitively-impaired man and then replaced him with a milquetoast candidate who wasted three months telling poor people, many of whom are full-time, gainfully employed firefighters, to be joyful about the fact that they can't pay for groceries.

Dems need to stop blaming the voters, do some introspection, and admit to themselves that they're no better. That's especially true when it comes to the poor and working class.

[–] CptOblivius@lemmy.world 15 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (3 children)

True but people shouldn't have voted for a sociopath either. There is more blame there.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

You don't consider it sociopathic to look at poor people tell them: "Have you just tried being happy?" That was Democrats' entire message for months of the campaign.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 0 points 44 minutes ago

Stop pretending dems aren't also sociopaths. You can prefer them to Trump, but stop gas lighting people about how the dems are actually good.

I think that the real story is that economy was doing slightly better, and this is what caused everyone to be so pissed. Its slight uptick caused people to stop and say' "What, that's it? Where is mine? Everybody should Fuck Off". When the economy slightly down-ticks, people tend to be more understanding. Humans are generally shitty and short sighted, especially those that voted for Trump.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 13 points 5 hours ago

I think the problem here is that the democrats got addicted to the lazy politics of fear. It's always kinda been there, but we got where we are today in '16 when they decided that their best shot at getting HRC her win was promoting the craziest Republican possible. If your opponent is turbo Hitler, then you don't need to promise anything and therefore don't need to keep any promises, you just promise to not be turbo Hitler and go back to yucking it up with the lobbyists and your pals from the hedge funds. And Hillary didn't promise much (inb4 she offered a pretty means-tested half-hearted helping hand to a select few people under special circumstances). I'm now convinced that the only reason Trump lost in '20 was COVID, and democrats misread it as people being willing to embrace their spineless platform of "not that guy". So, when they of course tried it again in '24, they got egg on their face.

The thing is, you can't keep people afraid, eventually they burn out on the fear for better or worse. I remember the government tried that post-9/11. Every day for years (and especially when they were trying to sell the Iraq war) the terror threat level was Orange or Red. The news even had a little dooblie-doo in the bottom left corner that showed the threat level of the day. Well, when it's orange or red for six years and nothing happens, people eventually just stop paying attention. People stopped being afraid of Trump, and with nothing really on offer besides more "not that guy"ism, it's not a shock they lost.

Of course, the lesson the democrats already seem to be taking from this is that they all need to become republicans, because surely Republicans will finally vote for Democrats if democrats are Republicans. Because, you know, the only voters that matter are Republicans, and they definitely will vote for a different party if given the chance, right?

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

Or an "opportunities economy".. bitch.. a lot of people are not entrepreneurs don't want to be entrepreneurs or are forced into being a fake one by the gig economy. Maybe shore up the base stuff before you start again helping entrepreneurs.