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It appears to me that the current state of Lemmy is similar to other platforms when they were smaller and more insular, and that insularity is somewhat protecting it.

I browse Lemmy, and it feels a bit like other platforms did back in 2009, before they became overwhelmed and enshitified.

If I understand it correctly, Lemmy has a similar "landed gentry" moderation scheme, where the first to create a community control it. This was easily exploited on other platforms, particularly in regards to astroturfing, censorship, and controlling a narrative.

If/when Lemmy starts to experience its own "eternal September", what protections are in place to ensure we will not be overwhelmed and exploited?

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[–] Xenobiotic@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago (7 children)

How does one do this without hardware?

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 32 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

…. Acquire/rent hardware, or pay for cloud services?

“How does one cook without a stove”

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 23 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

You're not required to run your own instance on your own hardware; you've just got to find an existing instance with an admin team you're comfortable with, create your community there and recruit moderators just like you would on Reddit.

[–] SineIraEtStudio@midwest.social 9 points 10 hours ago

You appear to have asked a vague question and people responded on what they thought you meant with your question.

You seem to be interpreting that as people trying to take your money rather than seeing that what you are looking to understand and what people are answering do not line up.

Another user has already given you other information that looks like what you were looking for, so I won't bother reiterating.

I just want to say that I hope in the future you'll try not to assume people interacting with you are trying to take advantage of you and there may just be a disconnect in the conversation.

Regardless, best of luck with everything :)

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

You didn't need to stand up a whole instance to create a community.

[–] degen@midwest.social 5 points 11 hours ago

I'm kind of sidestepping the point, but I think the average user will always be able to depend on the community to some degree, at least hopefully. All it takes is one savvy and willing user to support a huge section of community, bless the admins. If I'm being pedantic, most admins don't own the hardware anyway, but that's not the point. It's not even the software necessarily. If it isn't Lemmy itself, the spirit of independent web won't go away. People will be always running Tor, I2P, fedi, I'll even include crypto. The community isn't the platform, it's us.

I apologize for the uncalled-for Ted Talk.

[–] SineIraEtStudio@midwest.social 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I need to know a bit more what you are specifically asking to answer appropriately, but I'll guess in the mean time.

I'm assuming you asking about starting an instance without hardware. My understanding is that many of the top Lemmy instances are hosted on server farms (companies) rather than self-hosted on their own hardware. Hosting with a company would be essentially renting their server to run your software (Lemmy). You would have control of all the software decisions (instance admin), but would not own the hardware.

I'm not particularly knowledgeable in the area, but the above is my understanding and hopefully that answers your question. If not, let me know and I'll try again :)

Also, I believe the !buyeuropean@feddit.uk community just posted in the last couple days a list of European companies that could be used to host Lemmy instances.

Edit: added correct community and link.