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Has anyone else found themselves enjoying watching football much less than years prior due to the number of penalties? (alien.top)
submitted 1 year ago by rcolesworthy37@alien.top to c/nfl@nfl.community
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I swear, half of the plays in the games I watch have a penalty. It just kills the flow of the game seeing a flag all the time, it feels like games back in the 00’s were not like this.

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[–] Blazed_McDaniel@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

2009: 3669 penalties

2010: 3713 penalties

2011: 3896 penalties

2012: 3809 penalties

2013: 3635 penalties

2014: 4246 penalties

2015: 4326 penalties

2016: 4164 penalties

2017: 4166 penalties

2018: 4205 penalties

2019: 4278 penalties

2020: 3499 penalties (covid year)

2021: 3909 penalties (added a 17th game)

2022: 3726 penalties

2023: 2229 penalties on pace for 4012 (this on pace will vary a bit due to bye weeks for various teams)

Saw a sizable spike 2014-2019, but actually went down on averages the last few years while adding an extra week.

[–] FreddieFunkhouser@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

this doesn't mean anything bc the issue is the type of penalty

way more calls that require the refs to stand around and conference, wasting time and slowing the game down

somebody will say 'well akshually the games are shorter' no they gave up on some of those between play commercial breaks and started inserting ads into the 'down time' of games

[–] jfgiv@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

really hasn't been that pronounced even in the usual suspects of "game's gotten soft":

Season Defensive Pass Interference Defensive Holding Roughing the Passer Unnecessary Roughness
1999 1.09 0.50 0.27 0.56
2000 1.01 0.63 0.30 0.48
2001 0.88 0.42 0.31 0.34
2002 0.93 0.49 0.39 0.50
2003 0.86 0.59 0.42 0.55
2004 0.69 0.57 0.50 0.43
2005 0.78 0.77 0.45 0.42
2006 0.64 0.50 0.37 0.52
2007 0.57 0.32 0.23 0.48
2008 0.61 0.49 0.22 0.60
2009 0.69 0.41 0.26 0.52
2010 0.76 0.39 0.34 0.64
2011 0.80 0.48 0.39 0.74
2012 0.95 0.56 0.36 0.85
2013 0.94 0.67 0.35 1.06
2014 0.80 0.84 0.39 0.82
2015 0.90 0.85 0.39 0.89
2016 1.09 0.80 0.33 0.76
2017 1.04 0.93 0.41 0.78
2018 0.93 0.93 0.45 0.80
2019 1.05 0.95 0.52 0.61
2020 1.20 0.66 0.48 0.63
2021 1.10 0.57 0.55 0.59
2022 0.83 0.77 0.34 0.57
2023 1.09 0.74 0.43 0.65

We're talking about an extra defensive holding every five games. an extra roughing the passer every eight.

[–] Charrgerrr@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

It's awesome that you put the effort into this and the other data below. But it's sad because the people like OP and others in this thread will ignore it entirely

[–] pizza_822@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

way to bring logic and statistics into this

[–] Boukish@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

... Can we get that breakdown by type of penalty, though?

It really paints far more interesting contextual pictures about how referee calls are shaping the league at any given time.

For example, what's the trend on RTP and DPI and illegal contact and whatnot? These penalty rates impact the feel of the game far more than, e.g., ineligible receivers down the field.

[–] SteelBrightblade1@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What is rtp

[–] Boukish@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Roughing the passer.

More rarely, roughing the punter or kicker.

[–] jfgiv@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sure, I’ll do that for you in a few hours

[–] Boukish@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You're a G

[–] jfgiv@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

bigggest takeaway for me: false start and defensive offside way down, dpi (and arguably defensive holding) up moderately, the rest holding steady at <5% of penalties called

fouls as share of total penalties by season

[–] jfgiv@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Sure, I’ll do that for you in a few hours

I will say that the share of first downs achieved by penalty is similarly pretty stable

edit: busy as hell, and hitting the character limit so i'll split into increases and decreases, but here you go, sorted by highest increase to smallest increase (decreases in child comment)

penalty_type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022 2023 Slope r^2
Neutral Zone Infraction 0.59% 0.52% 0.85% 0.94% 1.26% 1.08% 0.81% 1.18% 1.51% 1.57% 1.79% 2.29% 3.62% 3.55% 3.90% 3.52% 4.64% 3.41% 3.69% 4.16% 4.70% 5.36% 3.52% 2.71% 3.08% +0.17% 0.7198
Defensive Holding 3.83% 5.05% 3.71% 3.80% 4.53% 4.13% 5.33% 4.21% 2.84% 4.36% 3.47% 3.26% 3.77% 4.49% 5.47% 6.39% 6.14% 6.00% 6.94% 6.95% 7.08% 5.85% 4.86% 6.93% 6.00% +0.12% 0.4888
Unnecessary Roughness 4.33% 3.84% 3.00% 3.92% 4.26% 3.14% 2.88% 4.41% 4.24% 5.33% 4.43% 5.26% 5.78% 6.79% 8.70% 6.21% 6.47% 5.68% 5.83% 5.99% 4.52% 5.57% 4.98% 5.11% 5.29% +0.10% 0.3082
Defensive Pass Interference 8.35% 8.08% 7.73% 7.23% 6.63% 5.01% 5.36% 5.36% 5.03% 5.47% 5.85% 6.27% 6.24% 7.57% 7.68% 6.09% 6.53% 8.12% 7.82% 6.89% 7.80% 10.72% 9.34% 7.39% 8.86% +0.08% 0.1901
Defensive Too Many Men on Field 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 1.22% 0.87% 1.08% 1.09% 1.35% 1.03% +0.05% 0.5435
Roughing the Passer 2.06% 2.41% 2.72% 3.04% 3.21% 3.62% 3.12% 3.13% 1.98% 1.99% 2.18% 2.78% 3.04% 2.90% 2.85% 2.93% 2.86% 2.47% 3.10% 3.31% 3.89% 4.25% 4.64% 3.00% 3.51% +0.05% 0.284
Ineligible Downfield Pass 0.44% 0.68% 0.42% 0.40% 0.48% 0.34% 0.38% 0.20% 0.79% 0.80% 0.89% 0.23% 0.30% 0.16% 0.29% 0.71% 0.48% 0.58% 0.41% 0.46% 1.10% 0.77% 1.34% 2.77% 1.89% +0.04% 0.3182
Offensive Holding 19.54% 20.10% 18.36% 19.73% 20.05% 17.10% 18.87% 15.56% 16.87% 16.38% 17.75% 19.57% 18.35% 19.63% 18.08% 18.57% 20.21% 20.41% 19.41% 20.69% 20.85% 15.98% 20.42% 19.60% 18.64% +0.04% 0.0353
Illegal Formation 0.69% 1.08% 1.20% 0.88% 0.39% 1.50% 1.48% 1.51% 1.61% 1.99% 1.85% 2.00% 1.46% 1.25% 1.89% 1.24% 1.67% 1.89% 1.32% 2.09% 1.83% 1.64% 2.02% 1.62% 1.94% +0.04% 0.4155
Illegal Use of Hands 1.99% 2.77% 1.73% 2.13% 2.16% 1.61% 1.64% 1.55% 0.72% 0.98% 1.22% 1.26% 2.22% 2.49% 2.37% 4.85% 3.31% 2.59% 3.16% 2.06% 2.78% 1.67% 2.33% 1.81% 1.89% +0.03% 0.0643
Horse Collar Tackle 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.74% 0.88% 0.75% 0.96% 0.50% 0.37% 0.58% 0.61% 0.41% 0.55% 0.73% 0.50% 0.33% 0.32% +0.03% 0.4132
Offensive Pass Interference 2.46% 2.12% 2.15% 1.43% 2.04% 1.73% 1.88% 2.01% 1.75% 2.23% 2.48% 2.26% 2.07% 2.37% 1.95% 3.02% 2.91% 2.56% 3.37% 2.47% 2.84% 2.16% 2.43% 2.01% 2.16% +0.03% 0.1939
Illegal Blindside Block 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.17% 0.06% 0.06% 0.28% 0.10% 0.33% 0.28% 0.09% 0.32% 0.20% 0.87% 0.49% 0.34% 0.36% 0.43% +0.02% 0.6034
Illegal Shift 0.72% 0.36% 0.49% 0.64% 0.48% 0.68% 0.57% 0.66% 0.89% 0.49% 0.66% 0.61% 0.76% 0.56% 0.83% 0.50% 0.93% 0.96% 0.67% 1.28% 1.16% 0.80% 0.78% 0.89% 1.13% +0.02% 0.4566
Lowering the Head to Initiate Contact 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.49% 0.84% 1.18% 0.34% 0.00% 0.00% +0.02% 0.2114
Delay of Game 4.67% 4.37% 3.88% 3.53% 3.27% 3.45% 3.55% 3.03% 5.48% 4.71% 4.17% 4.43% 3.83% 3.99% 4.54% 4.14% 4.10% 4.05% 3.66% 3.31% 3.51% 4.14% 5.01% 5.21% 4.48% +0.02% 0.0459
Offensive Too Many Men on Field 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.06% 0.17% 0.38% 0.28% 0.28% 0.53% 0.22% +0.01% 0.5038
Disqualification 0.09% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.09% 0.08% 0.00% 0.03% 0.03% 0.03% 0.10% 0.10% 0.24% 0.09% 0.13% 0.12% 0.06% 0.17% 0.18% 0.26% 0.32% 0.59% 0.12% 0.26% 0.32% +0.01% 0.5134
Player Out of Bounds on Kick 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 0.20% 0.15% 0.28% 0.19% 0.40% 0.22% +0.01% 0.518
Taunting 0.03% 0.16% 0.49% 0.79% 0.81% 1.13% 0.27% 0.72% 0.31% 0.31% 0.23% 0.26% 0.40% 0.19% 0.90% 0.71% 0.71% 0.90% 0.50% 0.70% 0.26% 0.35% 1.34% 0.56% 0.49% +0.01% 0.0529
Illegal Double-Team Block 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.46% 0.38% 0.31% 0.07% 0.05% +0.01% 0.2603
Low Block 0.09% 0.13% 0.04% 0.03% 0.18% 0.34% 0.19% 0.07% 0.24% 0.35% 0.23% 0.19% 0.15% 0.28% 0.22% 0.18% 0.11% 0.06% 0.15% 0.06% 0.03% 0.00% 0.50% 0.40% 0.27% +0.00% 0.0494
Unsportsmanlike Conduct 1.56% 1.01% 1.06% 1.16% 0.57% 0.79% 0.81% 1.84% 1.64% 1.57% 1.55% 1.36% 1.67% 1.12% 1.50% 1.83% 1.92% 1.86% 1.99% 1.39% 0.90% 0.84% 0.96% 1.06% 0.92% +0.00% 0.004
Leverage 0.06% 0.03% 0.18% 0.12% 0.06% 0.11% 0.03% 0.03% 0.07% 0.07% 0.00% 0.06% 0.09% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 0.35% 0.29% 0.17% 0.03% 0.03% 0.16% 0.07% 0.22% +0.00% 0.0655
Kick Catch Interference 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.15% 0.17% 0.03% 0.06% 0.00% 0.05% +0.00% 0.2427
Lowering the Head to Make Forcible Contact 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.27% +0.00% 0.1154
Roughing the Kicker 0.06% 0.10% 0.18% 0.24% 0.18% 0.14% 0.11% 0.23% 0.21% 0.10% 0.07% 0.10% 0.24% 0.19% 0.10% 0.18% 0.06% 0.35% 0.03% 0.23% 0.23% 0.24% 0.28% 0.16% 0.05% +0.00% 0.0321
Player Out of Bounds on Punt 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.15% 0.08% 0.16% 0.03% 0.17% 0.07% 0.17% 0.19% 0.40% 0.56% 0.45% 0.24% 0.34% 0.17% 0.26% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% +0.00% 0.0033
Illegal Peelback 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 0.03% 0.00% 0.13% 0.00% 0.03% 0.00% 0.09% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.05% +0.00% 0.0716
Delay of Kickoff 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 0.00% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.07% 0.00% +0.00% 0.0848
Illegal Wedge 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.16% 0.00% 0.06% 0.00% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 0.00% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% +0.00% 0.0068
Illegal Kick/Kicking Loose Ball 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 0.00% +0.00% 0.097
Leaping 0.06% 0.00% 0.00% 0.03% 0.03% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.06% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00% 0.11% 0.09% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.05% +0.00% 0.0004